Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Poll

Hypothetical: If the only change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass, would you be fine with it?

Yes
7 (36.8%)
No
12 (63.2%)

Total Members Voted: 16

« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 4

Author Topic: Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass  (Read 2271 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Minnesota

Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass
« on: April 05, 2021, 10:40:14 AM »
Everything else remains exactly the same. Judica me, Introit, Gregorian chant, silent Canon, etc. This already sort of happened with some parts of the world, but now it would be Christendom-wide.


I don't trust the Vatican enough to not completely ruin it, so I would vote no. But it's an interesting concept to ponder.
Logged

Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2021, 11:19:58 AM »
Councl of Trent (Session 22, Canon 9):

CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.

http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch22.htm 
Logged

Offline Incredulous

Re: Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2021, 12:22:29 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 11:19:58 AM
Councl of Trent (Session 22, Canon 9):

CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.

http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch22.htm

Is vernacular related to vulgar ?


Etymology of vernacular (adj.)

c. 1600, "native to a country," from Latin vernaculus "domestic, native, indigenous; pertaining to home-born slaves," from verna "home-born slave, native," a word of Etruscan origin. Used in English in the sense of Latin vernacula vocabula, in reference to language. As a noun, "native speech or language of a place," from 1706.

Quote
For human speech is after all a democratic product, the creation, not of scholars and grammarians, but of unschooled and unlettered people. Scholars and men of education may cultivate and enrich it, and make it flower into the beauty of a literary language; but its rarest blooms are grafted on a wild stock, and its roots are deep-buried in the common soil. [Logan Pearsall Smith, "Words and Idioms," 1925]
Logged

Offline RomanCatholic1953

Re: Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2021, 12:37:25 PM »
There is always a danger that a vernacular is subject to abuse and using language to bring a gradual change in church teaching
and doctrine in which the people in the pew are not aware of and the people fall into heresy without being aware. The
vernacular liturgy is largely responsible for the confusion in the church in the last 60 years that have broken into schisms
in which the catholic faith has disappeared in the majority of Catholics.    
Logged

Offline Cryptinox

  • Supporter
Re: Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2021, 12:49:43 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on April 05, 2021, 11:19:58 AM
Councl of Trent (Session 22, Canon 9):

CANON IX.--If any one saith, that the rite of the Roman Church, according to which a part of the canon and the words of consecration are pronounced in a low tone, is to be condemned; or, that the mass ought to be celebrated in the vulgar tongue only; or, that water ought not to be mixed with the wine that is to be offered in the chalice, for that it is contrary to the institution of Christ; let him be anathema.

http://www.thecounciloftrent.com/ch22.htm
There were plenty of vernacular masses before V2 and even Mass in Mandarin was permitted by Clement XV. It would be heresy to say that the only masses that can be celebrated must be in vernacular. It is not heretical to say there should be masses said in vernacular.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2 3 4
« previous next »