Author Topic: Hypothetical: If the ONLY change to the liturgy during V2 were a vernacular Mass (Read 2275 times)

Cryptinox · « **Reply #5 on:** April 05, 2021, 12:51:27 PM »

I could tolerate it. I've have had thoughts of what I'd do hypothetically if I were a pope and I thought of introducing it in vernacular with everything but the Roman Canon and the Kyrie to get people adjusted to the TLM and then eventually just bringing it back and maybe allowing indult for vernacular.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #6 on:** April 05, 2021, 12:58:10 PM »

Quote from: Cryptinox on April 05, 2021, 12:49:43 PM

There were plenty of vernacular masses before V2 and even Mass in Mandarin was permitted by Clement XV. It would be heresy to say that the only masses that can be celebrated must be in vernacular. It is not heretical to say there should be masses said in vernacular.

The OP posits a vernacular Mass “Christendom-wise.”

Emile · « **Reply #7 on:** April 05, 2021, 01:55:00 PM »

Dealing just with the Latin rite, it would be problematic. Latin has been the established language for the liturgy in western Europe and it's colonies for many, many centuries. Just changing it, even with an honest effort to be accurate in the translation, is unwarranted and would constitute a rupture with the past.

TKGS · « **Reply #8 on:** April 05, 2021, 06:32:22 PM »

It is interesting that many people were told that this is exactly what happened...but it was a lie.

Even if they did this, the language of the Mass would have to change every few years (as the ICEL has already done on several occasions with the Novus Ordo) as the meaning of the modern languages change over time. This is hardly a way to convey permanence.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #9 on:** April 05, 2021, 08:12:58 PM »

I wouldn't have an insurmountable problem with the TLM being translated into dignified, literary, possibly a bit archaic-like (think the style of Douay-Rheims Challoner, or even, putting aside its heretical origins and regarding only literary splendor, the KJV) language, a form of the vernacular that would be unchanging by its nature --- and no revisions down the road!

But, of course, allowing for the vernacular wasn't at all what the Bugnini and Pauline "reforms" were aiming at. There was far more to it.

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