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Offline Cryptinox

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How worried should I be about this?
« on: May 13, 2021, 02:12:59 PM »
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  • Ok so back when I was at my novus ordo school they had the novus ordo said weekly instead of three times due to CÖVÌD. However two times they had mass on a Monday I felt worried. On the question of whether Adam and Eve were real people he said "I am pretty sure the Church teaches they are but I doubt it." Doubting a dogma is heresy. One of the Mondays this happened I walked passed him in the hall and didn't say anything cause of shyness and anxiety but I don't know if they had the novus ordo on the said Monday. On the other Monday I think they had the novus ordo said but I am not 100% sure if he was there or if he communed. At the time I felt anxiety over being obligated to do it and thought he might listen iirc but I still had a mild feeling of uncertainty and doubted the validity of the new rites at the time.  Even if it isn't mortal the thought of having such a grave sin on my conscience that might be just an inch away from being mortal. Ever since I read what St. Paul said about those who take Communion unworthily it makes me worried about it being the same as me killing Christ. I don't want to hear anything about the NO being invalid in the replies I already have read all the arguments for it.

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    Re: How worried should I be about this?
    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2021, 04:20:53 PM »
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  • Do you desire thoughts on the matter?  Questions? Hm?  My Great-Great Uncle was/is a priest of the Confraternity of the Precious Blood.  Ordained in 1907.  I have his letter of 1905, speaking of the beauty of The Holy Eucharist, letter directed to his nephew, who was to receive this most Beautiful gift/powers to save us from the clutches of the Devil.  He said to my nephew, my grandfather, be sure to pray for your vow, for when I received my First Eucharist, I had a strong inclination to study for the priesthood.

    Wow!  the letter was found in 2001, and it was hiding in memorabilia folded over and over and half torn.  My mother found it and the date on the letter was my mom's birthday of May 28.  What a find, and what a favor, of my Great-Great- Uncle Fr. Rudolph Stoltz.  For my mom went new order, and I asked if we could visit his grave at St. Charles Seminary in Carthegenia, Ohio.  We did in 2000.  The place used to have as many as 100-150 students seminarians back then.

    Sad thing is the seminary is no longer. Just a place for retired religious.  We toured the chapel and grounds.  I tried to help my mom see the destruction of what was before and now!  The altar, no longer, the side altars, in the basement! That is where the priest (so-called) still say mass, in the basement!!

    I could not convince my mom of the destruction.  She said to me, I just want to know, why, my great uncle wanted to be a priest.  I said, well, we will pray for answer.  And a year later my mom found that letter folded in a little square.  I saw it in 2001, on my moms birthday.  Wow!  It did not change her mind. nor the rest of my brothers and sisters, who just see it as memorabilia.  Fr. Rudolph Stoltz died 1944, and this event took place 57 years later.  And there just happened to be a nun who knew him that we spoke with!  How did she know him, in 2001 and he died in 1944?  She was a novice who gave him blood when he was dying.

    Why did I tell you this?  I just wanted to share that God works in great ways!  My Great-Great Uncle wants to continue his mission on this earth speaking of the beauty and powers of the Most Precious Blood!


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    Re: How worried should I be about this?
    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2021, 06:41:14 PM »
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  • Ok so back when I was at my novus ordo school they had the novus ordo said weekly instead of three times due to CÖVÌD. However two times they had mass on a Monday I felt worried. On the question of whether Adam and Eve were real people he said "I am pretty sure the Church teaches they are but I doubt it." Doubting a dogma is heresy. One of the Mondays this happened I walked passed him in the hall and didn't say anything cause of shyness and anxiety but I don't know if they had the novus ordo on the said Monday. On the other Monday I think they had the novus ordo said but I am not 100% sure if he was there or if he communed. At the time I felt anxiety over being obligated to do it and thought he might listen iirc but I still had a mild feeling of uncertainty and doubted the validity of the new rites at the time.  Even if it isn't mortal the thought of having such a grave sin on my conscience that might be just an inch away from being mortal. Ever since I read what St. Paul said about those who take Communion unworthily it makes me worried about it being the same as me killing Christ. I don't want to hear anything about the NO being invalid in the replies I already have read all the arguments for it.
    What you wrote is quite confusing.  You reference "him," without indicating the subject to which you are referring... a NO priest?  You also indicate that this mysterious "him" professed heresy, and that you are yourself concerned about your own culpability?  I assume you are referring to failing to correct this man when he spoke his heresy... you then state that  you have concern over "being obligated to do it..."  to do what?  Please reformulate your initial statement so we can attempt to steer you in the right direction.  As it stands I cant make heads or tails of your dilemma.
    You may not want to hear about the invalidity of the new order priests, claiming to have "read all the arguments" in your young age... but there is certainly objective reason for positive doubt regarding the validity of these new rites, rendering the participation in them illicit.  Further, if you insist on believing they are valid, your obligation not to participate in them increases.  For if they are valid, then they are gravely and outrageously sacrilegious.  Attending them is also objectively dangerous to your young mind and the virtue of faith in your soul, and should be avoided on these grounds.  You may not wish to hear the reasons the new rite should be utterly rejected and avoided, but you are the one who explicitly and repeatedly indicated that you were attending said rite, when (if you assume its validity and liceity) that information has no bearing on your moral quandary.  In Charity, those of us who have more experience and knowledge in these matters are bound to fraternally correct you on these points.
    Please dont misunderstand the following l, as my intention is only to help and not to admonish, despite how it may sound.  The last portion of your post shows a serious lack of understanding the basics of morality:  there is no such thing as "a grave sin..." which "isn't mortal..." but "might be just an inch away from being mortal."  There is an infinite chasm between venial sin and mortal sin, the boundaries of which are concrete and well defined; also, "grave sin" is synonymous with "mortal sin."  If you understand a given action to constitute grave matter and you fully consent/will to commit the action, you have sinned gravely/mortally.  If you have insufficient knowledge, partial consent, and/or slight matter; the sin is venial.  A mortal sin is akin to killing Christ and is referred to by St Paul in the verse you mentioned.  Venial sin is in no way akin to killing Christ, and far from rendering the reception of Holy Communion sinful, is actually REMITTED by the reception of Holy Communion.
    Of course, this only applies to the true Catholic Sacrament of Holy Eucharist.

    This question and several of your other recent posts indicate that you should really pick up a good catechism and read it.  Even listening to an audiobook would help.  You can by no means claim to understand complex issues dealing with the crisis (validity of new sacraments for instance) until you educate yourself on the basics.  You clearly have a great desire to know the Truth, but try not to miss the forest for the trees.  Beware our Lord's words about building upon sand...   


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    Re: How worried should I be about this?
    « Reply #3 on: May 14, 2021, 03:15:53 PM »
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  • What you wrote is quite confusing.  You reference "him," without indicating the subject to which you are referring... a NO priest?  You also indicate that this mysterious "him" professed heresy, and that you are yourself concerned about your own culpability?  I assume you are referring to failing to correct this man when he spoke his heresy... you then state that  you have concern over "being obligated to do it..."  to do what?  Please reformulate your initial statement so we can attempt to steer you in the right direction.  As it stands I cant make heads or tails of your dilemma.
    You may not want to hear about the invalidity of the new order priests, claiming to have "read all the arguments" in your young age... but there is certainly objective reason for positive doubt regarding the validity of these new rites, rendering the participation in them illicit.  Further, if you insist on believing they are valid, your obligation not to participate in them increases.  For if they are valid, then they are gravely and outrageously sacrilegious.  Attending them is also objectively dangerous to your young mind and the virtue of faith in your soul, and should be avoided on these grounds.  You may not wish to hear the reasons the new rite should be utterly rejected and avoided, but you are the one who explicitly and repeatedly indicated that you were attending said rite, when (if you assume its validity and liceity) that information has no bearing on your moral quandary.  In Charity, those of us who have more experience and knowledge in these matters are bound to fraternally correct you on these points.
    Please dont misunderstand the following l, as my intention is only to help and not to admonish, despite how it may sound.  The last portion of your post shows a serious lack of understanding the basics of morality:  there is no such thing as "a grave sin..." which "isn't mortal..." but "might be just an inch away from being mortal."  There is an infinite chasm between venial sin and mortal sin, the boundaries of which are concrete and well defined; also, "grave sin" is synonymous with "mortal sin."  If you understand a given action to constitute grave matter and you fully consent/will to commit the action, you have sinned gravely/mortally.  If you have insufficient knowledge, partial consent, and/or slight matter; the sin is venial.  A mortal sin is akin to killing Christ and is referred to by St Paul in the verse you mentioned.  Venial sin is in no way akin to killing Christ, and far from rendering the reception of Holy Communion sinful, is actually REMITTED by the reception of Holy Communion.
    Of course, this only applies to the true Catholic Sacrament of Holy Eucharist.

    This question and several of your other recent posts indicate that you should really pick up a good catechism and read it.  Even listening to an audiobook would help.  You can by no means claim to understand complex issues dealing with the crisis (validity of new sacraments for instance) until you educate yourself on the basics.  You clearly have a great desire to know the Truth, but try not to miss the forest for the trees.  Beware our Lord's words about building upon sand...  
    I see you misunderstood my post so I will put a list there:
    1. "He" refers to the teacher.
    2. My worry is being just as guilty of receiving the Eucharist in mortal sin as he is assuming he took Communion as a heretic
    3. I don't assist at the new mass and I purposefully avoided it when I was at my old school and I only go to priests ordained in the traditional rite
    4. The verse I was thinking of is 1 Corinthians 11:27

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    Re: How worried should I be about this?
    « Reply #4 on: May 14, 2021, 03:39:39 PM »
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  • I see you misunderstood my post so I will put a list there:
    1. "He" refers to the teacher.
    2. My worry is being just as guilty of receiving the Eucharist in mortal sin as he is assuming he took Communion as a heretic
    3. I don't assist at the new mass and I purposefully avoided it when I was at my old school and I only go to priests ordained in the traditional rite
    4. The verse I was thinking of is 1 Corinthians 11:27
    5. By "inch away from mortal sin" I mean grave matter but just barely full knowledge/full consent


     

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