Author Topic: How long after apparent death may one receive Extreme Unction? (Read 6005 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #15 on:** May 23, 2022, 05:23:08 PM »

I was thinking it had more to do with putrefaction setting in more quickly after prolonged illness. I suspect that heart beat was a first Modernist step toward where we’re at now with brain death. Traditional Thomistic theology would caution against using organ function as a criterion because it’s more about the presence of the animal soul, which is tied to putrefaction. I don’t buy heart beat or brain death. While they may be signs to a point, I don’t hold them to be definitive. We have so many examples even in natural science of people being brain dead or having had their hearts stopped and then later coming back around.

Emile · « **Reply #16 on:** May 23, 2022, 05:35:50 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 23, 2022, 05:23:08 PM

I was thinking it had more to do with putrefaction setting in more quickly after prolonged illness. I suspect that heart beat was a first Modernist step toward where we’re at now with brain death. Traditional Thomistic theology would caution against using organ function as a criterion because it’s more about the presence of the animal soul, which is tied to putrefaction. I don’t buy heart beat or brain death. While they may be signs to a point, I don’t hold them to be definitive. We have so many examples even in natural science of people being brain dead or having had their hearts stopped and then later coming back around.

Yes, I've long found it interesting how many mistaken declarations of death there have been, even in modern times.
(just a few of many cases, the last one is particularly horrible)

https://nypost.com/2020/12/01/miracle-baby-found-alive-in-mexican-morgue-has-died/

https://www.12news.com/article/news/nation-world/woman-declared-dead-found-alive-in-morgue-freezer/507-570517003

https://www.businessinsider.in/a-woman-was-allegedly-frozen-alive-in-a-morgue-after-being-declared-dead-and-her-family-is-suing-the-hospital/articleshow/33203121.cms

Makes a 3-day wake sound like a very prudent practice.

SimpleMan · « **Reply #17 on:** May 23, 2022, 06:29:24 PM »

Quote from: Emile on May 23, 2022, 05:35:50 PM

Yes, I've long found it interesting how many mistaken declarations of death there have been, even in modern times.
(just a few of many cases, the last one is particularly horrible)

https://nypost.com/2020/12/01/miracle-baby-found-alive-in-mexican-morgue-has-died/

https://www.12news.com/article/news/nation-world/woman-declared-dead-found-alive-in-morgue-freezer/507-570517003

https://www.businessinsider.in/a-woman-was-allegedly-frozen-alive-in-a-morgue-after-being-declared-dead-and-her-family-is-suing-the-hospital/articleshow/33203121.cms

Makes a 3-day wake sound like a very prudent practice.

If I'm understanding correctly, the traditional practice, before embalming, was to have a three-day interval, to be able to observe putrefaction having set in. Once that happens, there's no going back.

And nobody survives embalming.

Cryptinox · « **Reply #18 on:** May 23, 2022, 07:57:48 PM »

It seems they can't receive it unless they have use of their faculties.

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SimpleMan · « **Reply #19 on:** May 23, 2022, 10:26:22 PM »

Quote from: Cryptinox on May 23, 2022, 07:57:48 PM

It seems they can't receive it unless they have use of their faculties.

So does this rule out everyone who is unconscious or in a coma?

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