By discrepancy I meant that there are trads who will only say Ghost and never Spirit because they see it as Novus Ordo. Just wondering what other Traditional Catholics thought about it and what they do.
I re-trained myself to say Ghost instead of Spirit after coming to Tradition from Novus Ordo years ago. It was a recommendation from the other parishioners.
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You did a good thing re-training yourself, Carissima!
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Ghost is the English word that carries with it the connotation of PERSON more than
spirit does. The word
spirit can be an ambiguous thing, without any regard for person, for it can mean an attitude, a feeling, a mood, that is, something entirely subjective, something you can't clearly identify with a picture or a sound or physical dimensions. It can be very NEBULOUS. In fact, it can mean something very different to two different people. Consequently, in Merry Olde England, Holy Ghost became the norm long before the Protestant Deformation came rolling into town.
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During my lifetime, including Vat.II, I personally heard priests teaching Catholics that they were no longer going to say, "Holy Ghost," but would say
"Holy Spirit" instead when referring to the Third Person of the Trinity. (They ought to have said
Blessed Trinity, and bowed their head while saying it.) The 1960's was a decade of tremendous change, and Vat.II was just another aspect of change. It was only when
questioned that they would use the excuse, "Because we don't want to scare the children, and
ghost can be scary." Years later, I also met others from far away places who had heard the same thing at that time.
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It was, remember, the Supreme Court's ignorance of what constitutes PERSON that allowed for the horrendous crime of their ruling on Roe vs. Wade to take place, when the highest court of the land allowed for legalization of willful murder of the innocent, a sin that cries to heaven for vengeance. And the REASON was,
the court did not recognize the personhood of a pre-born infant. They succuмbed to the Jєωιѕн тαℓмυd abominable lie, that a child doesn't become human (a person) until its head leaves the birth canal, thereby paving the way for "Partial-Birth Abortion."
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Many innovations that came in the wake of Vat.II were not to be found literally in the docuмents. Communion-in-the-hand, moving the tabernacle, turning the altar around, tearing out the Communion rail, Mass in the Vernacular, changing the Canon of the Mass, re-naming Confession to "Reconciliation," changing the form of Bishops' Consecration and the form of Ordination of Priests, changing the words of the Hail Mary (Rejoice, favored one, the Lord is with you. Bless'd are you among women and bless'd is the name of your son..."). The list goes on and on. In every case (did I say "every" yes, every), whenever someone would complain or alert a priest or a nun to the fact that what they're changing was not to be found in the Vat.II docuмents, the reply was the same. The reply was the same in every case. Did I say the reply was the same in every case? I'm not making a mistake. EVERY CASE. They said the following:
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This is in accord with the spirit of Vatican II.
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Only problem was, they forgot one word. Sometimes all it takes is one word. If they had been honest they would have said:
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This is in accord with the unclean spirit of Vatican II.
Spot the difference.
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At Vatican II the word "spirit" carried the whole council on it's back as if it were St. Christopher (whom they removed from the calendar, BTW).
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The entire Newmass revolution was implemented with the APPEARANCE of being in accord with the spirit of Vatican II.
If they had been honest and had said it was in accord with the unclean spirit of Vatican II, it would have FLOPPED.
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There is a new spirit in the Church.
This is a spirit of change.
According to the spirit of Vat.II we're not going to genuflect anymore during the Credo.
We don't genuflect in the center of the Church anymore, it's not the new spirit.
Women don't wear veils because that's not the spirit anymore.
The crucifix used to be horrible, now it's the risen Jesus, in the new spirit of the Church.
We have added a 15th Station, the Resurrection, according to the spirit of Vat.II.
In the new spirit we're removing pictures of Our Lady with a sword through her heart.
And we're not going to say that verse with "pierce me through" anymore, in the new spirit.
Children are allowed to run around and make noise in Church, it's the new spirit.
We raise our arms at the Our Father and greet each other in the new spirit of the Church.
We say, "For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory forever" - that's the "doxology" in the new spirit.
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So if you really like to say "spirit" then go right ahead. Just be aware, you're paying tacit obeisance to the Revolution.
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This is for your information, if you want to learn something.
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Maybe you don't want to learn, though.
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