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Help me understand what "Mortal Sin" actually is
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2011, 01:45:42 PM »
Quote from: Daegus
This is what's confusing to me. How do "mortal" sin and "grave" sin differ? What does grave sin do to a person, vs. mortal sin? We know that mortal sin deprives a soul of sanctifying grace and sends them straight to hell. What does grave sin do? The same thing?


I've never heard of that distinction.  I always took it that there were sins that were objectively mortal but that the gravity could be lessened by subjective factors.

Anyway, full consent of the will and knowledge that a sin is mortal are not difficult standards to meet, whatever the NOs who minimize sin and believe in universal salvation might say.

I believe Romano Amerio covers this topic in his book Iota Unum.

Help me understand what "Mortal Sin" actually is
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2011, 01:57:01 PM »
Quote from: Telesphorus
Quote from: Daegus
This is what's confusing to me. How do "mortal" sin and "grave" sin differ? What does grave sin do to a person, vs. mortal sin? We know that mortal sin deprives a soul of sanctifying grace and sends them straight to hell. What does grave sin do? The same thing?


I've never heard of that distinction.  I always took it that there were sins that were objectively mortal but that the gravity could be lessened by subjective factors.

Anyway, full consent of the will and knowledge that a sin is mortal are not difficult standards to meet, whatever the NOs who minimize sin and believe in universal salvation might say.

I believe Romano Amerio covers this topic in his book Iota Unum.


The Catholics over at CAF make it seem like there is a distinction.


Help me understand what "Mortal Sin" actually is
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2011, 02:50:41 PM »
Quote from: Daegus
Quote from: Jaynek
There are objective elements and subjective elements to morality.  We can all observe the objective elements but only God knows the subjective elements.  It is difficult to say with certainty that a specific person has committed a mortal sin because it requires knowing what is in his heart.  However, we can say that something is a grave sin because that is based on observable actions.  Abortion is always a grave sin.  It is theoretically possible for it not to be a mortal sin.


This is what's confusing to me. How do "mortal" sin and "grave" sin differ? What does grave sin do to a person, vs. mortal sin? We know that mortal sin deprives a soul of sanctifying grace and sends them straight to hell. What does grave sin do? The same thing?


There two ways of considering sin, objectively or subjectively.  When considering it objectively, we are thinking about the action in itself.  To say that something is a grave sin is to say that, in itself, it is very wrong.  We don't ask the question "what does grave sin do to a person" because asking what it does to a person means we are considering the question subjectively.  It is like asking "Is celery your favourite fruit?"  Celery doesn't belong in the question because it it isn't part of the category you are discussing.

Something that is a grave sin is potentially a mortal sin.  If it is a mortal sin it deprives your soul of sanctifying grace.  If it is not a mortal sin then it does not.  For practical purposes, treat your own grave sins as if they were mortal and get to Confession as soon as possible.  Other people's grave sins are rarely something you need to think about (although it is always a good idea to pray for people who are doing anything gravely sinful).  There is not likely to be a reason for you to need to know if somebody else's grave sin is also a mortal sin.

Help me understand what "Mortal Sin" actually is
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2011, 02:56:20 PM »
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 How much consent is complete consent?
Some people always say that their sins are not their fault. For example the employer told them to either commit a sin (like bribery, usury, fooling tax collectors, sɛҳuąƖ sins etc.) or lose their jobs.
  Does it make those sins venial?!?!


It could reduce the culpability, but we don't know for sure.  Whenever there is any doubt, people should go to Confession.  Your question reminds me of this:

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    Q. 1. What are the 9 ways that one can participate in the sins of another person?

    A. 1. They are:

    1. By counsel (to give advice, one's opinion or instructions.)

    2. By command (to demand, to order, such as in the military.)

    3. By consent (to give permission, to approve, to agree to.)

    4. By provocation (to dare.)

    5. By praise or flattery (to cheer, to applaud, to commend.)

    6. By concealment (to hide the action, to cover-up.)

    7. By partaking (to take part, to participate.)

    8. By silence (by playing dumb, by remaining quiet.)

    9. By defense of the ill done (to justify, to argue in favour.)

    (Note: To participate in the sins of another person means that one is just as guilty of the sin as the one who committed them. For example, if you encourage someone to have an abortion, you are guilty of the sin of abortion.)




Help me understand what "Mortal Sin" actually is
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 03:14:55 PM »
Quote from: Jaynek
Quote from: spouse of Jesus
 How much consent is complete consent?
Some people always say that their sins are not their fault. For example the employer told them to either commit a sin (like bribery, usury, fooling tax collectors, sɛҳuąƖ sins etc.) or lose their jobs.
  Does it make those sins venial?!?!


It could reduce the culpability, but we don't know for sure.  Whenever there is any doubt, people should go to Confession.  Your question reminds me of this:

Quote
    Q. 1. What are the 9 ways that one can participate in the sins of another person?

    A. 1. They are:

    1. By counsel (to give advice, one's opinion or instructions.)

    2. By command (to demand, to order, such as in the military.)

    3. By consent (to give permission, to approve, to agree to.)

    4. By provocation (to dare.)

    5. By praise or flattery (to cheer, to applaud, to commend.)

    6. By concealment (to hide the action, to cover-up.)

    7. By partaking (to take part, to participate.)

    8. By silence (by playing dumb, by remaining quiet.)

    9. By defense of the ill done (to justify, to argue in favour.)

    (Note: To participate in the sins of another person means that one is just as guilty of the sin as the one who committed them. For example, if you encourage someone to have an abortion, you are guilty of the sin of abortion.)




Jayne, could you give a source for these quotes?