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Offline Disputaciones

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I hear it all the time in the Novus Ordo, people saying how they don't "feel anything," or aren't moved or get devout etc., no matter how many messes they go to or retreats etc., but I think to myself that the reason is that it is all false, fake, mundane, bad, protestant, empty, and that there's nothing supernatural in the Novus Ordo. I felt this emptiness myself before I knew anything, so now that I know, every time I hear this I know why.

But have you ever heard or known someone say these same things about the true Mass and true devotions and retreats and everything? The thought just struck me because I thought the people who experience that in the NO just don't know the truth and wouldn't say those things if they did, but it made me wonder if there can actually be someone like that.

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Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2017, 07:35:18 PM »
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  • I know of worldly traditional Catholics who says these things...

    Especially traditional Catholic children or teenagers who grew up taking the True Faith for granted...

    It is sad, but it does happen...   :-[

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #2 on: March 23, 2017, 09:37:46 AM »
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  • I think this is an interesting post from AMDGJMJ.  Though I know of some very "worldly traditional Catholics", I have never heard any of them actually say that they don't "feel anything" about the Mass.  If anything, they are quiet about how they feel.  On the other hand, I have heard many people who go to, or used to go to, the Novus Ordo volunteer that they simply don't feel anything at the Novus Ordo service.  One lady I know who is "very active" in her parish--involved in the parish Religious Ed program, a Eucharistic Minister, and several other functions--who told me that she attended a traditional Mass once and couldn't get anything out of it because it was all in Latin and the priest always had his back to everyone, and she couldn't even hear him talk most of the time!  Plus, she was very upset that she couldn't receive the "blood of Jesus" as well and thought this was "exclusionary".

    I'm wondering in what context you have actually heard people who routinely attend the traditional Mass say that they don't feel anything or get anything out of the traditional Mass.  Why on earth are they going?

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 11:32:24 AM »
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  • I love the Latin Mass and think it is the most wonderful part of my life, being able to go to it regularly. But most of the time I am there I do not really "feel" any strong feelings. Like I don't have ecstasies or cry uncontrollably. But I love going. One time I did have very strong feelings and I think it was supernatural but usually I do not have strong feelings at Mass.
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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 11:50:16 AM »
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  • When Disputaciones said, "I hear it all the time in the Novus Ordo, people saying how they don't "feel anything," or aren't moved...", I didn't think he was asking the membership about how they feel.  While you, Matto, don't usually have any strong feelings, as you note, do you socialize after Mass or with a group of Catholics and bemoan that you just don't "feel anything at Mass"?  I think this is what was being asked.

    The difference between what you and AMDGJMJ said and what Disputaciones was saying is that a lot of people who attend the Novus Ordo regularly complain that the Novus Ordo just doesn't "do anything" for them.  They don't "feel" anything--and that concerns them because all of the "advertising", so to speak, for the Novus Ordo is about feelings!  

    In general, it seems to me that most people who attend the Novus Ordo aren't really satisfied and will volunteer this to anyone who cares to hear.  Of course, the Novus Ordo clergy hear this and try to make things even more lively and...well, Protestant in order to make the audience happy.

    On the other hand, people who attend the traditional Mass, whether they "feel" anything or not, realize that the Mass is not all about themselves but rather about giving worship to God and they aren't concerned about how they feel.


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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 11:53:38 AM »
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  • I guess I just did not understand the post then. I think I get a lot from going to Mass, I just don't usually have strong emotional feelings during Mass.
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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 12:20:46 PM »
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  • When Disputaciones said, "I hear it all the time in the Novus Ordo, people saying how they don't "feel anything," or aren't moved...", I didn't think he was asking the membership about how they feel.  While you, Matto, don't usually have any strong feelings, as you note, do you socialize after Mass or with a group of Catholics and bemoan that you just don't "feel anything at Mass"?  I think this is what was being asked.

    The difference between what you and AMDGJMJ said and what Disputaciones was saying is that a lot of people who attend the Novus Ordo regularly complain that the Novus Ordo just doesn't "do anything" for them.  They don't "feel" anything--and that concerns them because all of the "advertising", so to speak, for the Novus Ordo is about feelings!  

    In general, it seems to me that most people who attend the Novus Ordo aren't really satisfied and will volunteer this to anyone who cares to hear.  Of course, the Novus Ordo clergy hear this and try to make things even more lively and...well, Protestant in order to make the audience happy.

    On the other hand, people who attend the traditional Mass, whether they "feel" anything or not, realize that the Mass is not all about themselves but rather about giving worship to God and they aren't concerned about how they feel.

    Yeah, this is what I meant.

    I have never understood those in the Novus Ordo who say that the mass is "beautiful" and appear to feel so much and things like that when, objectively, the new order is simply banal and nothing compared to the real Mass. I guess you could say the same thing about all those protestants who say "God's presence is pulsating" in their frenzied assemblies; these people appear they are in trance and so convinced of what they feel that I have thought its impossible you could ever get them to abandon such a thing and make them realize there's nothing going on there.

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 06:28:56 PM »
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  • I think this is an interesting post from AMDGJMJ.  Though I know of some very "worldly traditional Catholics", I have never heard any of them actually say that they don't "feel anything" about the Mass.  If anything, they are quiet about how they feel.  On the other hand, I have heard many people who go to, or used to go to, the Novus Ordo volunteer that they simply don't feel anything at the Novus Ordo service.  One lady I know who is "very active" in her parish--involved in the parish Religious Ed program, a Eucharistic Minister, and several other functions--who told me that she attended a traditional Mass once and couldn't get anything out of it because it was all in Latin and the priest always had his back to everyone, and she couldn't even hear him talk most of the time!  Plus, she was very upset that she couldn't receive the "blood of Jesus" as well and thought this was "exclusionary".

    I'm wondering in what context you have actually heard people who routinely attend the traditional Mass say that they don't feel anything or get anything out of the traditional Mass.  Why on earth are they going?
    If this is how she thinks of the Holy Mass of All Ages, she's not a Catholic. That's not making presumptions, that's fact. People went to Mass for 500 years like that before the Protestant Bugnini and the changes of the Council.
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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 06:33:57 PM »
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  • If this is how she thinks of the Holy Mass of All Ages, she's not a Catholic. That's not making presumptions, that's fact. People went to Mass for 500 years like that before the Protestant Bugnini and the changes of the Council.
    No, it doesn't mean that. It means that she is an ignorant Catholic who has been too long in the Novus Ordo. 

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 06:59:21 PM »
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  • No, it doesn't mean that. It means that she is an ignorant Catholic who has been too long in the Novus Ordo.
    At some point does not an ignorant Catholic become a non-Catholic?  Ignorance is is only an excuse when it is invincible. There is a point at which the ignorance is entirely vincible.  When it comes to the lay faithful, that point is often only knowable by God. But in this case...  Let's just say, I would never allow my children to receive any kind of Catholic education from her. Methinks we might just, too often, try to excuse the inexcusable.

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 09:02:32 PM »
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  • At some point does not an ignorant Catholic become a non-Catholic?  Ignorance is is only an excuse when it is invincible. There is a point at which the ignorance is entirely vincible.  When it comes to the lay faithful, that point is often only knowable by God. But in this case...  Let's just say, I would never allow my children to receive any kind of Catholic education from her. Methinks we might just, too often, try to excuse the inexcusable.
    I understand the point you are making here.

    Having been in that lady's place (though never condoning lay "eucharistic ministers"), I know that people can and do change, always through God's grace. 

    Many times I attended an SSPX Mass because my parents had that allegiance and when we visited we sometimes accompanied them, and I attended my Father's funeral. There was no such thing as Tradition where I lived in those times, but to be honest, attending these Masses did not make me "feel' like I wanted to do it every Sunday. I was happy enough with what we had.

    But the point is that if this lady was to change her allegiance from the NO to Tradition, she would not need to convert to Catholicism. We changed but we were never anything but Catholic.

    Another point in response to the topic question, not just in religion and attending Mass but in all things, people are hoodwinked with the need to "feel good" and to take their "feelings" very seriously. They are the measure of all things. This is a mistake to think that the important thing is feeling. 
     


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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #11 on: April 11, 2017, 12:55:21 AM »
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  • Feelings do not mean much. Not a good reference in the spiritual life.

    I have heard men attend the most solemn traditional liturgies and feel nothing.

    I have read of saints experiencing the very presence of God shining in the face of the scum of the earth.

    Yes, I have heard people in NO and TLM say they feel and they do not feel. I have felt and not felt.

    But if Christ is there, the soul knows as grace flows.

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #12 on: April 13, 2017, 06:28:05 PM »
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  • I disagree that there is nothing supernatural about the NO Mass (just some of them). If the NO priest is a Mason, which it seems many are these days (?), then yeh... probably not going to have any kind of uplifting experience there.

    I have been to NO masses where I did not feel anything supernatural. But that is not the norm 4 me. And i know darn good and well it was not MY fault those times i did not feel anything supernatural, as i was not in mortal sin or even serious venial sin (etc). The priest was probably (i have reason to believe this) a Mason. But one thing I do know for sure is that he was not a charitable person, did  not practice the true faith on many occasions that i know of ... (you can't call yourslef Christian if you are uncharitable on a regular basis and do not seek to change that)

    That said, I always feel close to God (Father, Son and HS) during the traditional Mass, where the priest faces the altar and all... I have no idea why the NO people can't at least do that... have the priest face the altar. Facing the people is something that is virtually always rife with problems... egos get involved, the priest's perceptions of how the people perceive him... arg.. I hate the focus on self-- on humans. We have to focus on humans all dang week long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Let's focus on GOD on Sunday and other mass times!!!!!!!

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    Re: Have you ever heard anyone say "I don't feel anything" about the TLM?
    « Reply #13 on: April 13, 2017, 06:34:37 PM »
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  • Feelings do not mean much. Not a good reference in the spiritual life.

    I have heard men attend the most solemn traditional liturgies and feel nothing.

    I have read of saints experiencing the very presence of God shining in the face of the scum of the earth.

    Yes, I have heard people in NO and TLM say they feel and they do not feel. I have felt and not felt.

    But if Christ is there, the soul knows as grace flows.
    i tend to disagree, generally speaking.

    feelings often are... well, human-centric or whatever. Sometimes I have felt great fear and anxiety in a situation, only to realize later (when I am in the Real Presence, for sure, but also other times) that I was exaggerating. And i was exaggerating b/c of thigns that had happened 2 me in the past. You know how those triggers are: we see, hear or experience soemthing that reminds us of some traumatic or highly unpleasant thing we have seen/heard, etc.. b4... and so we go through all the same feelings and fears, rational and otherwise, that we went through in the original trauma...

    But that said, it is the highest folly to try to always ignore feelings. Even in the above scenario (the trigger phenomenon ), we see that feelings tell us something, they warn of danger.. whether exaggerated or not.

    I notice it is always men who say feelings don't matter (or imply such)

    women on the other hand, go to the other extreme sometimes...

    (OK, i re-read what you wrote and realize you say that feelings do not mean much, not that they mean nada... I think this may be an example of the triggering thing, b/c it reminded me of difficult conversations I have had w/ those who.. deny feelings.. I mean,  i just totally disagree that we should always dismiss feelings outright, but i do realize u are not saying that

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    Trust your feelings Luke?
    « Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 04:57:11 PM »
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  •  :confused:
    Actually, I think Macarius hit this nail on the head, and many of the great spiritual writers, such as St John of the Cross, would agree with him.  In fact, part of the road to spiritual prowess is dryness of soul, part of the "dark night of the senses".  The Novus Ordo is, at best, the attempt to fill the spiritual vacuum with inanity, like clowns, guitars, dancing girls, gimmicks, everything and anything to make the corpse twitch, so to speak.  But, really, if you want mushy funny interior feelings, as Michael Davies used to call them, Hollywood and Disney are the place for you.  At first, the Traditional Mass is interesting because it is novel.  Let the novelty pass and your spirit calm, then see what happens.
    But, the bottom line, as our priest likes to say, is it's not about you, it's about Jesus Christ in the tabernacle, on the altar, and at the altar.  As Our Lord Jesus Christ asked concerning John the Baptist, what did you go out to the desert to see...??

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