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Guardian Angel prayer grammar
« on: August 21, 2024, 05:31:52 PM »
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  • I don’t know if it’s just me but it just seems off how it says “…commits me here…”

    Is the “me” correct?

    “Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom His love commits me here, ever this day…”

    Shouldn’t it be thee? Referring to the Angel?

    English is not my first language.

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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #1 on: August 21, 2024, 06:13:33 PM »
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  • The "me" is referring to the person praying the prayer. I can see why it might be unclear.

    Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom His love commits me here, ever this day…”

    If the "to" is moved, "Angel of God, my guardian dear, whom His love commits to me here, ever this day.." does it make more sense to you, D?
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #2 on: August 22, 2024, 05:28:36 AM »
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  • I don’t know if it’s just me but it just seems off how it says “…commits me here…”

    Is the “me” correct?

    “Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom His love commits me here, ever this day…”

    Shouldn’t it be thee? Referring to the Angel?

    English is not my first language.
    "commits me here" basically means that God is putting the person in the care and custody of the angel.

    Here is the prayer in Spanish:

    "Angel of God" (in Spanish)
    Ángel de Dios, que eres mi custodio,
    pues la bondad divina me ha encomendado a ti,
    ilumíname, guárdame, defiéndeme y gobiérname.
    Amén."

    And Latin:

    "Ángele Dei,
    qui custos es mei,
    me tibi commissum pietáte supérna,
    hodie illúmina, custódi, rege et gubérna."

    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #3 on: August 22, 2024, 08:06:29 AM »
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  • "commits me here" basically means that God is putting the person in the care and custody of the angel.

    Here is the prayer in Spanish:

    "Angel of God" (in Spanish)
    Ángel de Dios, que eres mi custodio,
    pues la bondad divina me ha encomendado a ti,
    ilumíname, guárdame, defiéndeme y gobiérname.
    Amén."

    And Latin:

    "Ángele Dei,
    qui custos es mei,
    me tibi commissum pietáte supérna,
    hodie illúmina, custódi, rege et gubérna."
    Makes more sense in Spanish.

    If you translate the English version it would be like “me ha encomendado aquí…”

    Now I see that the “here” is the part that seems off to me.

    Wouldn’t “committed me” make more sense?

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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #4 on: August 22, 2024, 08:17:06 AM »
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  • Wouldn’t “committed me” make more sense?
    Yes, if it was meant to be a strictly literal translation. But the English version that you are citing has a certain poetic metre to it that is meant to make it easier to learn and remember.
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #5 on: August 22, 2024, 11:15:35 AM »
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  • Makes more sense in Spanish.

    If you translate the English version it would be like “me ha encomendado aquí…”

    Now I see that the “here” is the part that seems off to me.

    Wouldn’t “committed me” make more sense?
    Like Emile said...  Part of the choice of words is to make it an easy rhyme for children to be able to remember.

    "Commited me" is past tense in English.  The English version of the prayer is in present tense.  Therefore, "commits me" is most appropriate. 
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #6 on: August 22, 2024, 08:27:51 PM »
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  • Yes, if it was meant to be a strictly literal translation. But the English version that you are citing has a certain poetic metre to it that is meant to make it easier to learn and remember.
    Oh, that makes more sense now, I hadn’t thought about it that way.

    Is there an “adult” guardian angel prayer?

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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #7 on: August 22, 2024, 08:55:10 PM »
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  • Oh, that makes more sense now, I hadn’t thought about it that way.

    Is there an “adult” guardian angel prayer?
    This is an alternate version found in the Raccolta:

    O angel of God, whom God hath appointed to be my guardian, enlighten and protect, direct and govern me. 

    http://www.liturgialatina.org/raccolta/guardian.htm



    While searching for the above, I came across this interesting tidbit from St. Bonaventure:

    The Twelve Works of our Guardian Angel
     by St. Bonaventure of Bagnoregio, OFM
     Doctor of the Church


    According to Sacred Scripture there are twelve works of charity which our guardian Angel does for us.


     THE FIRST is to rebuke us for our faults. According to the Book of Judges, chapter 2, verse 1: The Angel of the Lord ascends from Galgala to the place of those weeping and says: "I have lead you forth from the land of Egypt . . . And you have not heard my voice."


     THE SECOND is to absolve us from the bonds of our sins. According to Book of Acts, chapter 12, verse 7: The Angel stood by . . . and the chains fell from his hands; yet this must be understood as disposing this to happen.


     THE THIRD is to take away from us those things impeding our progress in goodness, which is signified in the Book of Exodus, chapter 12, verse 12: where the Angel struck the first born of Egypt.


     THE FOURTH is to constrain those demons afflicting us, according the Book of Tobias, chapter 12, verse 3: "He chased the demon from my wife", says Tobias of the Archangel St. Raphael.


     THE FIFTH is to teach us, according to the Book of Daniel, chapter 9, verse 22: Now I have entered, to teach you, and so that you might understand.


     THE SIXTH is to reveal secrets, for according to the Book of Genesis, chapter 18, verse 17, the three Angels expressed the Mystery of the Trinity and Unity, after which God said: Can I conceal from Abraham what I am about to do?


     THE SEVENTH is to console, according to the Book of Tobias, chapter 5, verse 13: Be of a strong spirit, it is nigh, that you are to be cured by God etc..


     THE EIGHTH is to comfort us on the way to God, according to Third Book of Kings, chapter 19, verse 7: Rise and eat, for a grand way remains for you.


     THE NINTH is to lead us forth on this way and to conduct us back to God, according to the Book of Tobias, chapter 5, verse 15: I shall lead, and I shall lead him back etc..


     THE TENTH is to cast down our enemies, according the Book of Isaiah, chapter 37, verse 36: Having entered the Angel of the Lord struck upon the camps of the Assyrians etc..


     THE ELEVENTH, to mitigate our temptations; and this is signified in the Book of Genesis, chapter 32, verse 24, where Jacob wrestled with the Angel, and was comforted after the match, having accepted his blessing, the nerve of his femur withered up.


     THE TWELFTH is to pray for us and to carry our prayers to God, according the Book of Tobias, chapter 12, verse 12: When you were praying with tears . . . I offered your prayer etc.. All of these are the effects of our guardian Angel's care of us, on account of which we ought to be submissive and grateful both to God and the Holy Angels.


    https://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/St.%20Bonaventure%20Guardian%20Angel.html
    If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

    ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago


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    Re: Guardian Angel prayer grammar
    « Reply #8 on: August 23, 2024, 05:38:36 AM »
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  • This is an alternate version found in the Raccolta:

    O angel of God, whom God hath appointed to be my guardian, enlighten and protect, direct and govern me. 

    http://www.liturgialatina.org/raccolta/guardian.htm



    While searching for the above, I came across this interesting tidbit from St. Bonaventure:

    The Twelve Works of our Guardian Angel
     by St. Bonaventure of Bagnoregio, OFM
     Doctor of the Church


    According to Sacred Scripture there are twelve works of charity which our guardian Angel does for us.


     THE FIRST is to rebuke us for our faults. According to the Book of Judges, chapter 2, verse 1: The Angel of the Lord ascends from Galgala to the place of those weeping and says: "I have lead you forth from the land of Egypt . . . And you have not heard my voice."


     THE SECOND is to absolve us from the bonds of our sins. According to Book of Acts, chapter 12, verse 7: The Angel stood by . . . and the chains fell from his hands; yet this must be understood as disposing this to happen.


     THE THIRD is to take away from us those things impeding our progress in goodness, which is signified in the Book of Exodus, chapter 12, verse 12: where the Angel struck the first born of Egypt.


     THE FOURTH is to constrain those demons afflicting us, according the Book of Tobias, chapter 12, verse 3: "He chased the demon from my wife", says Tobias of the Archangel St. Raphael.


     THE FIFTH is to teach us, according to the Book of Daniel, chapter 9, verse 22: Now I have entered, to teach you, and so that you might understand.


     THE SIXTH is to reveal secrets, for according to the Book of Genesis, chapter 18, verse 17, the three Angels expressed the Mystery of the Trinity and Unity, after which God said: Can I conceal from Abraham what I am about to do?


     THE SEVENTH is to console, according to the Book of Tobias, chapter 5, verse 13: Be of a strong spirit, it is nigh, that you are to be cured by God etc..


     THE EIGHTH is to comfort us on the way to God, according to Third Book of Kings, chapter 19, verse 7: Rise and eat, for a grand way remains for you.


     THE NINTH is to lead us forth on this way and to conduct us back to God, according to the Book of Tobias, chapter 5, verse 15: I shall lead, and I shall lead him back etc..


     THE TENTH is to cast down our enemies, according the Book of Isaiah, chapter 37, verse 36: Having entered the Angel of the Lord struck upon the camps of the Assyrians etc..


     THE ELEVENTH, to mitigate our temptations; and this is signified in the Book of Genesis, chapter 32, verse 24, where Jacob wrestled with the Angel, and was comforted after the match, having accepted his blessing, the nerve of his femur withered up.


     THE TWELFTH is to pray for us and to carry our prayers to God, according the Book of Tobias, chapter 12, verse 12: When you were praying with tears . . . I offered your prayer etc.. All of these are the effects of our guardian Angel's care of us, on account of which we ought to be submissive and grateful both to God and the Holy Angels.


    https://catholicharboroffaithandmorals.com/St.%20Bonaventure%20Guardian%20Angel.html

    Thank you for sharing this!  
    "Jesus, Meek and Humble of Heart, make my heart like unto Thine!"

    http://whoshallfindavaliantwoman.blogspot.com/