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Offline ingenting

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« on: July 17, 2012, 08:19:14 AM »
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  • How do you learn to sing Gregorian Chant?


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    « Reply #1 on: July 17, 2012, 01:31:44 PM »
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  • There are many ways to take this question. In terms of vocal technique, chanting is just like singing, which you may already know how to do reasonably well. Of course one has to bring a more reverent spirit to chant - an absence of affectation and sentiment - than one brings to profane music, and in this respect it takes a lifetime to learn to chant. But you are probably asking about learning to read neumatic notation. I would just advise you to look it up online, practice a bit on your own, and participate as best you can during Sunday mass. It may look daunting and mysterious but it is actually rather intuitive; speaking from experience, a couple hours’ study should enable you to keep up during mass. Obviously to become expert would require much more study.


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    « Reply #2 on: July 18, 2012, 05:15:33 PM »
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  • Quote from: Graham

    In terms of vocal technique, chanting is just like singing, which you may already know how to do reasonably well.

    No, I am not a very awesome singer...

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    « Reply #3 on: July 18, 2012, 05:52:28 PM »
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  • I was also wondering where to learn to read the notation used in missals- I have never seen music written that way.

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    « Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 11:42:46 AM »
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  • Quote from: theology101
    I was also wondering where to learn to read the notation used in missals- I have never seen music written that way.


    I presume you're talking about the 4 line staff, instead of 5 lines in Western music?

    The modern standard grew out of the older, 4 line staff. The little "c" figure at the
    beginning of each staff is the "Do" or tonic note of the piece, and therefore indicates
    the key signature, so to speak. But the 4-line staff does not have a set pitch for
    each line, usually. That is, compared to Western standard notation, A, which is
    the second space up from the bottom in the treble clef, has 440 beats per minute.
    But in the Gregorian 4-line staff, no such definition is standard, so you can effectively
    change the pitch of the lines to suit your needs, or the range of the voices who
    sing the piece at hand.

    If you want to learn to sing Chant, you really need to join a group that rehearses
    regularly, and you should go and study with them. It takes a few months of weekly
    lessons before you get the hang of how things are done. And it takes years of
    study before you become proficient, unless, that is, you have a talent for it that
    lets you pick it up quickly.

    Also, it helps to listen to recordings. Most recordings of Gregorian Chant are done
    pretty well. I find it odd that a lot of churches with choirs singing Chant do it rather
    poorly, and some are quite unbearable. The different thing about Chant is, you can
    be a very experienced musician and yet have no clue how to sing it. Chant takes
    a concentrated effort to learn well, and you have to put aside a lot of the
    standard preconceptions that modern music entails almost inherently.

    If there is any one rule to learn for Chant that is different from most other music,
    it is, that at the ends of all phrases, reduce volume, or "soft on the ends." Chant
    sounds like something else if that is not done.

    Second, there must be continuity, or "line" to the singing, which means you do not
    get to take a lot of breaths, and when you do breathe, it should be very fast, so
    that you imitate an organ that plays without ceasing. There are some small
    pauses, but not many, and it is commonplace for singers of Chant to do it
    improperly by adding too many breaks.

    And third, the tone of voice sounds much better if it is not sharp or edgy, but
    smooth and round, which allows all voices to blend with each other, so that no
    single voice stands out.
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.


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    « Reply #5 on: July 19, 2012, 04:01:53 PM »
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  • The post above refers to Gregorian Chant, and it does not refer to Russian or
    Greek chant.

    Here is an amazing Russian style, 6-part polyphony, but in Latin, with wonderful
    pictures of Russian churches and Orthodox icons and artwork. Watch this and
    imagine what could happen if the Collegial Consecration is done, and Russia
    converts: imagine what world peace could be! It isn't hard to do, watching this!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=bH1s8PcDBEM&NR=1

    No ID -- composer, who's singing, nothing. 5:31 duration.

    Dominus Vobiscuм -- May the Lord be with you.
    Et cuм spiritum tuo -- And with thy spirit.
    (many times repeated with different harmonies)


    The second time I listened, it brought me to tears. I'm serious.


    It cuts out abruptly at the end.

    I would like to find DVDs or CD/slideshows like this! It wasn't long enough!

    Usually, hearing Russian words is unfamiliar to me, but when they sing Latin, OH MY,
    what a difference -- like in this video. I know a lot of the Orthodox don't like to use
    Latin. But now, maybe using Latin in the Russian style will be a worldwide force of
    conversion!


    Woops -- wrong thread! Oh well, I guess it's not really too far off...........   :smirk:
    .--. .-.-.- ... .-.-.- ..-. --- .-. - .... . -.- .. -. --. -.. --- -- --..-- - .... . .--. --- .-- . .-. .- -. -.. -....- -....- .--- ..- ... - -.- .. -.. -.. .. -. --. .-.-.

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    « Reply #6 on: July 21, 2012, 08:40:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    The post above refers to Gregorian Chant, and it does not refer to Russian or
    Greek chant.

    Here is an amazing Russian style, 6-part polyphony, but in Latin, with wonderful
    pictures of Russian churches and Orthodox icons and artwork. Watch this and
    imagine what could happen if the Collegial Consecration is done, and Russia
    converts: imagine what world peace could be! It isn't hard to do, watching this!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=bH1s8PcDBEM&NR=1

    No ID -- composer, who's singing, nothing. 5:31 duration.

    Dominus Vobiscuм -- May the Lord be with you.
    Et cuм spiritum tuo -- And with thy spirit.
    (many times repeated with different harmonies)


    The second time I listened, it brought me to tears. I'm serious.


    It cuts out abruptly at the end.

    I would like to find DVDs or CD/slideshows like this! It wasn't long enough!

    Usually, hearing Russian words is unfamiliar to me, but when they sing Latin, OH MY,
    what a difference -- like in this video. I know a lot of the Orthodox don't like to use
    Latin. But now, maybe using Latin in the Russian style will be a worldwide force of
    conversion!


    Woops -- wrong thread! Oh well, I guess it's not really too far off...........   :smirk:


    Thank you. It is truly beautiful.  Heaven must sound like this.   :pray:
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42