I think that assuming the 1290 days of Daniel as literal is a grave mistake, and I pointed out an example why. I acknowledge that many do think it to be 1290 literal days, and we can discuss it. The Church has not interpreted it, and the discussion is not only permissible but I think commendable, as showing reverence for the Word of God and what He has revealed, which is of paramount importance to us, Catholics, God's people.

DR, here are the notes from Daniel 12 in the margins of the Original Douay-Rheims Bible:

Daniel 12:7 
(e) A time ordinarily signifies one year and, as Chapter 4 v. 13, so here is signified the space of three years and a half, as [Daniel] ch. 7 and Apoc. 12 v. 14.

Daniel 12:11
(f) From the taking away of the daily sacrifice, and placing of the abomination (to wit, the practice of heresy) to desolation, that is, abolishing so much as is possible the holy Sacrifice of the Mass, to the end of that persecution shall be 1290 days.

Daniel 12:12
(g) Why 45 days are added to the former number, is marvelously obscure: neither may we presume among diverse expositions, to censure which seems most probable.

Daniel 12:13
(h) But we are content to go away with Daniel (v.9 and 13) without further searching the profound sense of these so high mysteries.

Instead of "alteration change," which is vague, I believe the language is suggesting that the TLM will be taken away, as Jerome says and it will (finally!) be OFFICIALLY replaced with its counterfeit alternative, the Novus Ordo.

In other words, there will not be a time when "the Mass" will not be said in "Catholic" churches. No, the Novus Ordo (the counterfeit of the Mass) will not end. The Novus Ordo will not be "taken away." Only the TLM will be "taken away." And all people will be able to find in official "Catholic" churches is the Novus Ordo abomination.

The only place that the TLM, the real Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, will be found will be in non-official "refuge" Churches.

In this context, I again bring to everyone's attention the prophecy of Marie-Julie Jahenny:


Marie-Julie Jahenny on the "Second Celebration" (the Novus Ordo)


Ecstasy July 21, 1881

"The Church will suffer the most cruel persecutions which hell has never yet invented.

"Soon, in large parts of this land of the dead, there will be no sanctuaries. The apostles will have fled. The holy souls weep over the ruins and abandonment; See how much they insult Me and how much they offend Me ... There will be a relentless hellish (attack) against the devotion to the Sacred Heart. "

"There will be a book of the 'second celebration' by the infamous spirits who have crucified Me anew and who await the reign of a new Messiah to make them happy. Many holy priests will refuse this book sealed with the words of the abyss, but unfortunately there are who will accept it, and it will be used."

"The Bishops betray. They will give their strength and their life to the fatal government."

"Today, I, Creator, God, I lose all the authority of My Powers. Today, I am the most despised and regarded as the most incapable of men."

"In a short time, on the threatened earth that is no longer strong, because the blasphemies that have shaken it, the iniquities and crimes have separated it piece by piece, in a short time on French soil, I will no longer be recognized; My adorable dignity will be desecrated. They will (do more to Me than on the day of My Passion); (then) they had given Me anything but a scarlet robe. Before the century is over, long before, they will have covered Me in all sorts of insults. The religion that I had established, the Gospel that I preached, all this, they will tear apart under an appalling form, to make trembling, and they will throw all these infamous things on My shoulders and all over My Adorable Body. They will change My sufferings and My plaints of My Passion, in writings that will shake the heart of the righteous and their peaks will crack pain, as the mountain, on the day of My Crucifixion. Before the year which bears a figure of consolation to My French people, before that epoch is sounded, the holy sacrifices of the altars will have taken an infernal form."

"In the streets, in cities, in the countryside and in all villages, the infectious poison of those cursed books will spread with an immensity and with a rapidity hotter than the sun's path, from sunrise to sunset."


Ecstasy date November 27, 1901. (NOTE: Other sources say this prophecy was given in 1902)

Our Lord to Marie-Julie Jahenny:

“I give you a warning even today. The disciples who are not of My Holy Gospel are now in a great work of the mind to form as the second facsimiles when they will make to their idea and under the influence of the enemy of souls, a Mass that contains words odious in My sight.

When the fatal hour arrives when they will put to the test the Faith of My eternal priesthood, it is these sheets that they will give to celebrate in this last period. The first period, it is that of My priesthood which exists since (or after) Me. The second, is the period of persecution when the enemies of the Faith and of Holy Religion have formulated - and they are strongly enforced - these sheets as the book of the second celebration, these infamous spirits (or, infamous minds) are those who crucified Me and who are waiting for the reign of the new Messiah to make them happy."

"Many of My holy priests will refuse this book sealed with the words of the abyss. Unfortunately, (they) will be the exception, it will be used."

Does St. Jerome say that?  I'm not aware of that. I posted the excerpt from him where he says, "he shall exalt himself to such a height of arrogance as to attempt changing the very laws of God and the sacred rites as well." Thus, agreeing with the Greek.

That makes no sense, then we shouldn't read the Bible because we "might accidentally interpret Scripture". You can't even point out how this post is violating Church teaching. Sorry, but you being uncomfortable by someone theorizing about a passage is irrelevant.

You clearly missed my point as well.  In addition, you are probably not aware of DR's long posting history wrt Scripture interpretations. 

The issue was not that the post was violating Church teaching (because I didn't think that it did) and I never said DR's interpretation is wrong. 

The issue is that DR had an issue with my using a different, literal interpretation of Daniel when I questioned the timing of the NO changes (given the Church has NOT officially interpreted it). 

It is interesting that Angelus has since found Catholic Biblical Commentary which speaks to a literal interpretation of the Scripture in question, so perhaps the Church's interpretation is a literal one after all...but I'll have to look closer at that. 

Verse four [of Rev. 20:4] is impossible of logical interpretation for those who place the thousand years chronologically ahead of the reign of Antichrist, because its contents are a positive contradiction of that theory.

Original Rheims annotation - 2. Bound him. ] Christ by his Passion hath abridged the power of the Devil for a thousand years, that is, the whole time of the new Testament, until Antichrist's time, when he shall be loosed again, that is, be permitted to deceive the world, but for a short time only, to wit, three years and a half.

DR, to get back to your very insightful original point, Daniel is suggesting BOTH "an alteration" that ends in the attempted "taking away" of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

The first step was to allow the setup of the "alternate," the counterfeit "mass", the Novus Ordo (this stage ends in 1969).

The second step was to allow both the partisans of the counterfeit and of the true Mass to go to battle in the Church so that Catholics would self-select into categories of wheat vs tares. (this stage has taken a little over 5 decades).

The third step is for the tares (the false brethren) to persecute the wheat during the final tribulation of the faithful. This final persecution is overseen by the False Prophet/Antichrist (3.5 years)

The above is God's providential plan to both reveal and purge the Elect in the end times. God wanted those steps to happen, so that those who love Him will have a chance to follow Him in His Passion. It is a beautiful thing. Just a few more years left.

Zacharius (Zechariah) 13

7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that cleaveth to me, saith the Lord of hosts: strike the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn my hand to the little ones.


Framea, suscitare super pastorem meum, et super virum cohaerentem mihi, dicit Dominus exercituum : percute pastorem, et dispergentur oves : et convertam manum meam ad parvulos.

8 And there shall be in all the earth, saith the Lord, two parts in it shall be scattered, and shall perish: but the third part shall be left therein.

Et erunt in omni terra, dicit Dominus : partes duae in ea dispergentur, et deficient : et tertia pars relinquetur in ea.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined: and I will try them as gold is tried. They shall call on my name, and I will hear them. I will say: Thou art my people: and they shall say: The Lord is my God.

Et ducam tertiam partem per ignem, et uram eos sicut uritur argentum, et probabo eos sicut probatur aurum. Ipse vocabit nomen meum, et ego exaudiam eum. Dicam : Populus meus es : et ipse dicet : Dominus Deus meus.

https://www.drbo.org/drl/chapter/43013.htm