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Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
« Reply #30 on: May 23, 2022, 06:14:24 AM »
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    • I apologize if the expression "this guy" caused offense.  I didn't intend for it to cause any offense, but was just a brief form of a circuмlocution meaning "the man being referred to in the post" (abbreviated to "this guy").  I use the term "guy" all the time in that sense, without intending any pejorative connotation.

    It's precisely because I can and was imagining the distress it would cause to my own family if I were to suddenly pass away that I asked the question of life insurance, and it's with that thought in mind that I asked the question, and it's for that reason that I carry so much life insurance ... and not because I enjoy paying the bill every month.

    In any case, I offer you my deepest condolences and prayers for the repose of your late husband's soul.

    God bless you,
    Laszlo
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #31 on: May 23, 2022, 06:18:07 AM »
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    • Yes, the word "guy" probably comes from the Hebrew word for cattle, "goy". But 99.9% of the time it's not used by Americans with that exact meaning. Language changes over time. I would say that in our era, "guy" is a synonym for "man", "person", "gentleman", "dude" or something similar -- pretty neutral actually.

    "Nice" used to mean ignorant. That word has literally changed meaning over the centuries to mean something completely different.

    That is why our Theology, Liturgy, and important prayers must be in a dead (and hence, unchanging) language like Latin.

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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #32 on: May 23, 2022, 06:20:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 23, 2022, 06:18:07 AM
    Yes, the word "guy" probably comes from the Hebrew word for cattle, "goy". But 99.9% of the time it's not used by Americans with that exact meaning. Language changes over time. I would say that in our era, "guy" is a synonym for "man", "person", "gentleman", "dude" or something similar -- pretty neutral actually.

    "Nice" used to mean ignorant. That word has literally changed meaning over the centuries to mean something completely different.

    That is why our Theology, Liturgy, and important prayers must be in a dead (and hence, unchanging) language like Latin.

    Just the other day I referred to Bishop Pirvarunas as a genuinely "nice guy" and meant that as a compliment.  It's just become part of my vocabularly, and perhaps I should rethink using the term.
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #33 on: May 23, 2022, 06:26:07 AM »
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    • It helps to remember that each of the screen names on CathInfo has a real, human, body and soul presence behind it.

    For example, I have exactly 9 children myself. My father passed away when I was in my early 30's, when I was just starting my own family (I had a 1 1/2 year old and a baby about to be born). I had to fly 1,200 miles to my hometown to attend the funeral by myself, since my wife was 7 1/2 months pregnant. So my children never got to know their other Grandfather, who died at the young age of 55. He died of some combination of Big Pharma and sleep apnea.

    And yes, there were consolations and things that only we in the immediate family were aware of, in that whole situation.
    My mother & father didn't have life insurance either. They had both lost their jobs just a couple years previous, due to TAN Books being sold off to new owners.
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #34 on: May 23, 2022, 06:33:31 AM »
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    • Dear Mrs Wilson-

    We were so sorry to hear about your husband!  Any man who could raise nine children according to the Faith was a good one, and I’m sure you are in a bit of a state of shock right now.  But I can’t help thinking about the providential fact of Fr. Sretenovic having been there to give the last rites in time. That, coupled with the “coincidental” reason your family was there in the first place (ie., the funeral of your mother-in-law, I think it was?) almost hits me as a signal grace that God intended to give you -a family of the Faith- a consolation, knowing your faith would allow you to perceive it, that your husband likely died in the state of grace, and therefore your separation is temporary, and your family  -so long as it too perseveres in grace- will be reunited with him again, happy together in the presence of God forever.

    That is a consoling and encouraging thought (and your post suggests that you are already perceiving events in this light)!

    Wishing you and your family all the best as you trudge through this difficult time.

    -Sean Johnson
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #35 on: May 23, 2022, 06:43:31 AM »
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    • Thank you Matthew & Laszlo for your follow up posts. I wasn’t deeply bothered; and you’re right Laz, meaning changes over time not to mention we attach our own meaning. My dad was very old fashioned & hated the modern word “guy”! 

    I’ve always been just a wallflower here on CI, for obvious reasons. Duty calls! I do think we often over-intellectualize things & sometimes become too easily detached from our fellow humans. Being married to Joe helped me see that in myself.  God has a way of humbling us all. 

    Thanks again for all the heartfelt condolences & especially prayers. Again, Grace is the only thing that matters! I know there are a lot of good people here; it’s all good as the modern saying goes. 
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #36 on: May 23, 2022, 06:57:34 AM »
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    • And thank you Sean, just saw your post. The details of it all are certainly a reminder “that the very hairs of our heads are numbered.” God sees to every detail of our needs. Too bad most don’t see it most of the time. His Providential Hand is always at work!

    Just to clarify, he died on our home property. We were preparing to bury my mother. Joe was loading the table to be used for the altar at the funeral home. The most credit goes to my son Mathew (15 in 2 days) who had the presence of mind to rush on the three wheeler to get Father from next door as I couldn’t reach him by phone. He then proceeded to serve Holy Mass at my mother’s funeral in honor of his father who’d only been dead for less than 3 hours. I am very blessed!
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #37 on: May 23, 2022, 07:14:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: CarmelFlower on May 23, 2022, 06:57:34 AM
    The most credit goes to my son Mathew (15 in 2 days) who had the presence of mind to rush on the three wheeler to get Father from next door as I couldn’t reach him by phone. He then proceeded to serve Holy Mass at my mother’s funeral in honor of his father who’d only been dead for less than 3 hours. I am very blessed!

    Wow!  That’s a strong young man to be proud of!
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #38 on: May 23, 2022, 08:29:38 AM »
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    • Dear Mrs Wilson,
     So sorry to participate in taking this serious and heartfelt thread about your husband offf the beaten path. It was quite inconsiderate towards the peoplle who knew and loved him and are now grieving his death.
     God bless you and your family in this painful and trying time. God bless your children. They are beautiful. 
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #39 on: May 23, 2022, 08:31:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 23, 2022, 07:14:16 AM
    Wow!  That’s a strong young man to be proud of!

    Yes, and obviously well-taught.  I know adult Trad. Catholics who wouldn't think to get the priest.  Deo gratias!
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #40 on: May 23, 2022, 08:34:25 AM »
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    • Mrs. Wilson, you have my sincere condolences. Saying the daily rosary as a family will bring down many graces in the coming years. God has a big plan for you and your family. 

    Remember if you ever need anything- feel free to reach out on the forum. We’re all here to help!
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #41 on: May 23, 2022, 08:49:53 AM »
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    • Quote from: Christo Rege on May 23, 2022, 08:34:25 AM
    Remember if you ever need anything- feel free to reach out on the forum. We’re all here to help!

    That's the way it used to be back when Europe was Catholic, before the French Revolution.  There was a guild system in place for most trades, and when a guild member died, the others pitched in (as did parishioners).

    It occurs to me now that one of the down sides of the emergence/prevalence of insurances is that it removed a strong expression of charity between Catholics (who now generally look to their government, bankers, and insurance providers for help rather than each other).

    Anyway, I don’t want to derail this thread, but Fr. Fahey’s book on guilds is interesting.

    Just wanted to reiterate CR’s point about not being shy to reach out on the forum, as it gives us all an opportunity to do a charitable and Catholic deed, which “covers a multitude of sins.” 
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #42 on: May 23, 2022, 09:48:51 AM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on May 23, 2022, 05:12:18 AM
    38Jesus therefore again groaning in himself, cometh to the sepulchre. Now it was a cave; and a stone was laid over it. 39Jesus saith: Take away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith to him: Lord, by this time he stinketh, for he is now of four days. - John 11

    Thanks, that's what I was thinking of (but was just too lazy to cross-refer it across all four Gospels).
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #43 on: May 23, 2022, 09:51:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on May 23, 2022, 09:48:51 AM
    Thanks, that's what I was thinking of (but was just too lazy to cross-refer it across all four Gospels).

    Yeah, maybe Lazarus wasn't a good example.  Stinketh might imply putrefaction.  But then it again it might not ... could just be external stink.  Perhaps that's to underscore how the greatness of this miracle, since once that has begun, the man was clearly dead, that this was no mere magician's trick.  We could speculate, then, that Lazarus' soul was in Limbo and then brought back by Our Lord.  I'm guessing, though, that the Lord brought him back with his corruption undone also, since I wouldn't want to be raised back to life partially decomposed.

    Regardless, the point is that it's somewhat disputed and not clear from Revelation when the soul actually leaves the body at death, so the rule of thumb is that it's permitted to perform Last Rites conditionally until rigor mortis (i.e. putrefaction).  I think rigor mortis was set up as a more obvious criterion that can be easily tested, since without lab tests it's hard to know when putrefaction has begin.
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    Re: GoFundMe for widow with 9 children
    « Reply #44 on: May 23, 2022, 09:56:33 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 23, 2022, 06:18:07 AM
    Yes, the word "guy" probably comes from the Hebrew word for cattle, "goy". But 99.9% of the time it's not used by Americans with that exact meaning. Language changes over time. I would say that in our era, "guy" is a synonym for "man", "person", "gentleman", "dude" or something similar -- pretty neutral actually.

    "Nice" used to mean ignorant. That word has literally changed meaning over the centuries to mean something completely different.

    That is why our Theology, Liturgy, and important prayers must be in a dead (and hence, unchanging) language like Latin.

    Actually, it comes from German, oddly enough.  The full German (and Italian) form of it is Guido.

    One minor culture shock I had coming into the Catholic world, was discovering that Hugh, Lucy, and Leo are stand-alone names, and are not short for anything.  In my non-Catholic upbringing, those would have been short for Hubert, Lucille, and Leonard.  (Yet my aunt was named Lucy and, so far as I am aware, that wasn't short for anything.)
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