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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2019, 03:21:11 PM »
False pedantry. Historically, thou was the less formal variant and you the more formal.
When was that? My missals only go back to 1855. Can you produce an older missal where they call God you?

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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2019, 03:27:40 PM »
...and for good reason! That is my point.

99 times out of 100, someone who uses "Holy Spirit" in public (among Trads) is very new to Tradition, and not fully Trad-ified yet. And not being Trad today is generally a very bad thing! If they aren't Trad-ified, that means they have a lot of Novus Ordo baggage, haven't eliminated much of their Novus Ordo-induced ignorance of the Faith yet, haven't got used to frequent confession yet, etc.

Remember, the essentials of being a Trad are ALL good things: being strong in one's Faith, having the heart to practice heroic virtue in some areas at times, having the Faith be the center of one's life, knowing one's Faith well, being faithful to Catholicism in all its dogmas and practices (keeping in mind that Catholicism is a fundamentally traditional and stable religion that doesn't change much, certainly not in its dogmas or morality)

Being rude, being lazy, being unmotivated -- none of those things are essential to the Traditional movement, though they are found in a few of its members.
I was under the impression that the use of the word “Ghost”, derived from the German, was more specific to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity. All Spirits that dwell in Heaven are Holy, thus Holy Spirit is less specific, although certainly not incorrect. To be perfectly clear, I always use Holy Ghost.


Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2019, 03:34:03 PM »
Yes, but this is 2019, not some earlier point in history. Today, "Thee" and "Thou" are formal, so it's how WE (in 2019) talk to God. "You" and "Your" is how we talk to the garbage man.
If they were reversed in 1600, that is completely irrelevant.
And yet, all the English Bible translations from back then used "thou" and "thee". Similarly the Germans always used "du" for God. In Latin, Hebrew, etc. there's no distinction between formal and informal versions of the 2nd person singular. Most languages with a distinction use the informal version. A notable exception is French, but there's plenty of usage of "tu" for God even in French dating back centuries. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%E2%80%93V_distinction
I'd also question the assumption that "thee" and "thou" are formal in modern English. They're just archaic. No one addresses a President or King or anyone as "thou"(it's Your Majesty, not Thy Majesty). People only do it with God because they're referencing old translations, which is perfectly fine of course, but to act as if saying the general "you"(which is used both formally and informally in modern English) is disrespectful when in fact "thou" and "thee" were brought in when they were informal, is just plain wrong. 

Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2019, 03:35:12 PM »
When was that? My missals only go back to 1855. Can you produce an older missal where they call God you?
No because they only ever used "thou" and "thee", which were the informal variants of "you". Thanks for proving my point, I guess?

Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2019, 03:35:25 PM »
I was under the impression that the use of the word “Ghost”, derived from the German, was more specific to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity. All Spirits that dwell in Heaven are Holy, thus Holy Spirit is less specific, although certainly not incorrect. To be perfectly clear, I always use Holy Ghost.
Same as I was taught by my priest who was ordained in 1951. Like I said in the OP


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I always remember my priest, ordained in 1951, telling me, there are many holy spirits but only one Holy Ghost.