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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2019, 01:32:31 PM »
Where are you seeing God referred to as "you"? Only contexts I ever hear it used in is in prayers like "Please Lord, grant me Your help in..." etc. Saying "Lord, grant me the Lord's help" or "God, grant me God's help" would sound very strange grammatically in English and almost as if you were referring to another God. 

Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2019, 01:49:21 PM »
Where are you seeing God referred to as "you"? Only contexts I ever hear it used in is in prayers like "Please Lord, grant me Your help in..." etc. Saying "Lord, grant me the Lord's help" or "God, grant me God's help" would sound very strange grammatically in English and almost as if you were referring to another God.
Please Lord, grant me Thy help in.....


Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2019, 02:18:19 PM »
Please Lord, grant me Thy help in.....
False pedantry. Historically, thou was the less formal variant and you the more formal. 

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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2019, 02:49:33 PM »
but among Traditional Catholics I always use "Ghost" because, as Matthew points out, it's become this shibboleth, and I don't want to cause scandal.  Many Traditional Catholics immediately in their minds label you as "suspect of Modernism" if you ever use the term Holy Spirit.

...and for good reason! That is my point.

99 times out of 100, someone who uses "Holy Spirit" in public (among Trads) is very new to Tradition, and not fully Trad-ified yet. And not being Trad today is generally a very bad thing! If they aren't Trad-ified, that means they have a lot of Novus Ordo baggage, haven't eliminated much of their Novus Ordo-induced ignorance of the Faith yet, haven't got used to frequent confession yet, etc.

Remember, the essentials of being a Trad are ALL good things: being strong in one's Faith, having the heart to practice heroic virtue in some areas at times, having the Faith be the center of one's life, knowing one's Faith well, being faithful to Catholicism in all its dogmas and practices (keeping in mind that Catholicism is a fundamentally traditional and stable religion that doesn't change much, certainly not in its dogmas or morality)

Being rude, being lazy, being unmotivated -- none of those things are essential to the Traditional movement, though they are found in a few of its members.

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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2019, 02:51:51 PM »
False pedantry. Historically, thou was the less formal variant and you the more formal.

Yes, but this is 2019, not some earlier point in history. Today, "Thee" and "Thou" are formal, so it's how WE (in 2019) talk to God. "You" and "Your" is how we talk to the garbage man.
If they were reversed in 1600, that is completely irrelevant.