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From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« on: May 14, 2019, 09:12:02 AM »
I was looking online for the Latin Mass words to copy and paste in an email to a relative and lost 1/2 hour trying to find an online source that didn't say Holy Spirit or call God you. Moreover, they all called the mass the Extraordinary Rite.

I always remember my priest, ordained in 1951, telling me, there are many holy spirits but only one Holy Ghost. I get suspicious every time someone says holy spirit. Then comes the final BOMB that gives them away, they call the three persons of the Most Holy Trinity,  you.

Calling God you, totally egalitarian, Dust Mite dung calling the King of Kings, you. This shows that they have no fear of God.

The future of "tradition" is not bright.

Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2019, 09:23:34 AM »
Where does this leave the English language Novos Ordo baptism? Are those who are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit actually baptised?

Are they conditionally rebaptised?

What form was used for the baptism of Bishop Williamson?


Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2019, 09:28:20 AM »
Where does this leave the English Language Novos Ordo baptism? Are those who are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit actually baptised?

What form used for the baptism of Bishop Williamson?
Holy Spirit can be used as translation in a baptism in English, however, using it today is an indicator that one may not be a true traditionalist, or they are hard heads. The give away is when they call God, you, and of course there are many other indicators.

Holy Ghost is totally English, two English words, derived from the Germanic language. It was always how it was said in English. Holy Spirit is a English and Latin mixed word.

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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2019, 09:31:59 AM »
Where does this leave the English language Novos Ordo baptism? Are those who are baptised in the name of the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit actually baptised?

Are they conditionally rebaptised?

What form was used for the baptism of Bishop Williamson?

Settle down. This is just "Last Tradhican" giving his personal opinion on "Holy Ghost" vs "Holy Spirit". It is barely a valid opinion at all, much less something that will shake the entire Trad world like an earthquake.

He has not ruled once and for all. He is not the Pope. If he were the Pope, maybe it would justify your nail-biting, far out responses.

No, "Holy Spirit" is not invalid, nor is it even offensive to Catholic morality. It is absolutely valid, being an accurate translation of "Sanctus Spiritus".

So all your questions are moot -- that is to say, worthless.

Sometimes armchair theologians make me sick.  They are puffed up with pride to the Nth degree, and split-second quick to place themselves and their judgments above legions of learned Catholic (not modernist) priests and bishops.

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Re: From Holy Spirit to calling God You
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2019, 09:36:40 AM »
Saying "Holy Ghost" instead of "Holy Spirit" is a shibboleth of sorts, a keyword that shows we are Traditional.

So it is good to use "Holy Ghost", to show we are not ashamed of Catholic Tradition.

Also, all the Modernists use Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean it's objectively wrong, inaccurate, or sinful -- but we shouldn't use it because who wants to sound like a Novus Ordo Modernist?

In other words, we should avoid the term "Holy Spirit" for reasons of PRUDENCE and that is the end of the list. There is nothing objectively wrong with the term.

It is also a bad idea to bring the Gospel, or our speech to God, down to a comic book, banal, everyday tone or level. That is why we shouldn't call God with the same term we use for the mailman ("you").

There is a similar reason for women wearing long skirts. (There are other reasons too, but I'm focusing on just one reason here.) Even if one could argue that certain kinds of pants with a long shirt over it met the norms of Catholic modesty, why would you? I mean, most worldlings aren't going to single you out or give you a hard time for wearing loose fitting pants with a loose shirt over it. Won't they just assume you're like everyone else in the World? How will they know you're a Trad then? Why shouldn't we scream to the world that we're Traditional Catholics, and that we're not ashamed of our Faith?

You don't want pagan residents of Sodom and Gomorrah to treat you like one of their own, or fail to give you a hard time, do you? You really want to "fit in", in the modern day Sodom and Gomorrah? God forbid!

You really want this?

I love Hillary Clinton! She is awesome!
Obama is like a messiah!
Archbishop Lefebvre was a disobedient rebel!
The Catholic Church is horrible!
Abortion is just reproductive rights for women.
People should be able to love whoever they want.
Matthew is a great guy!


Um...no?