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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #125 on: July 01, 2022, 08:16:14 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on July 01, 2022, 07:43:48 AM
If you stopped there, this would be correct Catholic teaching.  Of course, your issue is that you solve this with a tautology, that erroneous teaching are not Magisterium.  So then your statement above is rooted in the tautology.  Only the "correct" stuff (as per your private judgment) is actually the Church.  Your reduction of the Magisterium to only those things that happen to be true (according to you) ... that's the problem here.

Were it not for your tautological reduction of the Magisterium, your statement above is precisely what the SVs hold.
Your idea of what the Magisterium is NO.
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #126 on: July 01, 2022, 08:41:46 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 01, 2022, 08:13:13 AM
And without a pope, who is the final arbiter for sedes?

We don’t have one right now, just like you supposedly didn’t when JPII died.
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #127 on: July 01, 2022, 08:46:05 AM »
Quote from: Stubborn on July 01, 2022, 08:13:13 AM
And without a pope, who is the final arbiter for sedes?

In your unorthodox view of the Church, the papacy becomes superfluous. That’s why I coined the term “ the church of the superfluous pope”.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #128 on: July 01, 2022, 08:46:46 AM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 01, 2022, 08:41:46 AM
We don’t have one right now, just like you supposedly didn’t when JPII died.
Not sure what JP2 has to do with anything, but then are you saying above that we're both our own final arbiter?
And arbiter of what exactly?
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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #129 on: July 01, 2022, 08:53:42 AM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on July 01, 2022, 08:46:05 AM
In your unorthodox view of the Church, the papacy becomes superfluous. That’s why I coined the term “ the church of the superfluous pope”.
Not so, the pope has made himself superfluous due to his heresies, but the papacy is not superfluous. It is unorthodox only in that the pope himself is a heretic.

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