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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2022, 07:15:47 AM »
The sacrifice of the Mass in fact does teach the Faith.

Only incidentally:

Marcel Lefebvre often recalled the four ends of the Sacrifice of the Mass: praise of God, thanksgiving (hence the name Eucharist), propitiation (or atonement) and impetration (or intercession). Unlike the modernists, he insists on the propitiatory aspect: God who has been offended is made propitious by His incarnate Son’s act of extreme charity in offering Himself on the cross. But he also loves to elaborate on the praise and glorification that the Mass procures for God.“

Doctrinal instruction is neither listed nor derivative of any of the four ends of Mass. and nobody argued it should be taught as such prior to the liturgical movement (which was one of the reasons for introducing the vulgar languages and the versus populum posture), for the very simple reason that the Mass is for God, and not the people.

It only “instructs” in an indirect way, via “lex orandi, lex credentials.”

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Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2022, 07:25:24 AM »
Shame on you.  You owe respect and docility and assent to the teaching of the Vicar of Christ.
You're right, all vulgarity spoken in regards to the pope is always gravely wrong no matter who says it, and all those who do so will certainly answer for it before God. At the same time, if we have learned anything from history since V2, it has taught us that when the pope is wrong he's wrong, as such we cannot assent to the Vicar of Christ's teaching lest in doing so we offend God.

Always remember, we are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man.


Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2022, 07:28:48 AM »
I'm glad he's amazed ... at our non-acceptance of "the validity of the Council".

While's he's "amazed" that some Catholics do not recognize the validity of the Council, he rightly points out the inconsistency (impossibility) of accepting V2 as a valid/legitimate Ecuмenical Council and then rejecting its output.

Vigano has already explained to you the solution, via the form/substance distinction.

Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2022, 07:35:28 AM »
Same old modernist drivel: “Full, active, conscious, participation.”

Blah, blah, blah.

When I go to HEAR Mass, I prepare myself to receive Communion.  Period.

Missal only occasionally, spending most time silently watching the altar, priest, and servers.

No need for congregational singing or dialoguing (already signs of infection from modernist liturgical principles), as SSPX seems to want.
We are to participate at mass.

Re: Francis Issues Desiderio Desideravi on Mass
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2022, 07:36:50 AM »
We are to participate at mass.

Can you define that please?