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Offline The Cub

Fr. Mark on the Traditional Mass
« on: October 28, 2018, 04:59:28 PM »
A very powerful lesson on The Traditional Mass!   :applause:



Fr. Mark on the Traditional Mass

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Offline Merry

Re: Fr. Mark on the Traditional Mass
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2018, 06:39:20 PM »
Ok, so let's take this young, wet behind the ears pup, who presumes to try indoctrinating Catholics that liturgical orthodoxy is really "spontaneous" - and let's have him take a seat and listen to Fr. James Wathen give a Sunday sermon that destroys this little breezer and holds up for ridicule his notion of 8 centuries of Divine Worship -



We see that here we have a traditional priest who, indeed, "loves that kind of stuff."



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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Mark on the Traditional Mass
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2018, 07:02:38 PM »
Yes, this notion that Liturgy was spontaneous for the first 8 centuries or so is a bunch of Modernist nonsense ... an attempt to justify the modern liturgical innovations.
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Offline The Cub

Re: Fr. Mark on the Traditional Mass
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2018, 01:21:38 PM »
Open your hearts!


You like the Latin Mass.....that is great.....great!

Did Christ speak Latin at the Last Supper?  No, He spoke Aramaic, and He said DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.  What does that tell you?  What does the word 'THIS' refer to?  Does a subsequent Pope have the right to change the DISCIPLINE of the Mass from Aramaic (established by Jesus) and declare that Latin should henceforth be employed? 

Answer:  "Yes."

But to claim that the Novus Ordo is invalid is pretzel logic based upon emotion.

A Pope declares that the Latin Mass is never to be changed, which is his right.....and in respect of the DISCIPLINE of the Mass, ONLY stands as long as successor Popes agree.  The Key word is DISCIPLINE....vs.SUBSTANCE AND FORM.  What is substance?  unleavened bread and wine.  What is form?  "This is My Body; This is My Blood."

Pope Paul VI changed the DISCIPLINE of the Mass  (Emphasis added), which is JUST AS MUCH HIS RIGHT as Pope, ....and indeed, the Novus Ordo contains both Substance and Form. 

You have no argument with a subsequent Pope changing the directives of Jesus Christ (viz. "DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.") in respect of the DISCIPLINE of the First Mass recited in Aramaic.....but you argue that the Novus Ordo is invalid because a subsequent Pope changed the DISCIPLINE of the Mass as set forth by a predecessor Pope to be in Latin. 

This is a non sequitor.

Would you have others believe that Jesus Christ, true God and true man, is not present in consecrated hosts and wine via the Novus Ordo?

Do not quible over nonsense....enjoy the Mass whether in Latin or in the local language.....or even the True Traditional Mass as explained by Fr. Mark in the video in the OP.

God bless you and your families.

cub
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Mark on the Traditional Mass
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2018, 03:32:29 PM »
So is this "The Cub" modernist a Novus Ordo troll here on CI?

Does the Pope have a legal right to alter the Mass?  Of course.  Does he have the moral right to pitch it and replace it with a Protestant service?  No, he does not.

What we're disputing is this video by "Father" Mark where he falsely claims that Liturgies in the Church for the first 8 centuries or so were mostly improvised.  That's utter nonsense that is easily refuted with even a modicuŠ¼ of research.

Not all Traditional Catholics consider the Novus Ordo Mass to be invalid, although many do.  And they consider it invalid not merely because it was changed but because the essential form was changed.  No Pope can change the essential form of the Sacraments, which are of divine institution.
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