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Offline Matthew

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Feast of the Holy Rosary or 20th Sun after Pentecost?
« on: September 06, 2018, 10:29:37 AM »
Any Liturgical experts out there?

I am trying to figure out what Mass will be said on Sunday, October 7th. That Sunday happens to be the 20th Sunday after Pentecost, but it also falls on October 7, which is the Feast of the Holy Rosary.

Does the priest have a choice? Which one takes precedence over the other?

Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Feast of the Holy Rosary or 20th Sun after Pentecost?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 10:41:29 AM »
What "Class" Feast is the Holy Rosary?

John XXIII made most Sundays "Class II".  So the Holy Rosary would have to be a "Class I" Feast to replace it.  Otherwise, I think you'd do a commemoration.  I'm not sure what happens in the case of a tie, if they're both "Class II".


Re: Feast of the Holy Rosary or 20th Sun after Pentecost?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2018, 10:49:14 AM »
Any Liturgical experts out there?

I am trying to figure out what Mass will be said on Sunday, October 7th. That Sunday happens to be the 20th Sunday after Pentecost, but it also falls on October 7, which is the Feast of the Holy Rosary.

Does the priest have a choice? Which one takes precedence over the other?
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You have to choose between the Traditional Calendar and the updated Bugniniite of the SSPX and CMRI calendar. 
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The longstanding tradition of the Catholic Church has the following:
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Double  1st Class (White)
Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Twentieth Sunday after Pentecost
St. Mark, Pope, Confessor 
Mass:  Proper of Feast.
"Gaudeamus" Gloria, 2nd of Sunday, 3rd of St. Mark. 
Credo, Preface of the Blessed Virgin
("Et te in Festivitate").
Ite, Last Gospel of Sunday. 
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For those unaware of the fine points, when a major feast displaces the regular Sunday liturgy, in order for the Gospel of that Sunday to still be heard (20th after Pent.), it is read in lieu of the 1st chapter of St. John for the Last Gospel at the end of Mass.
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This was one of the Bugnini changes that was put into effect to prepare for the excuse to roll out the 3-year cycle of Newmass.
You see, by getting rid of many of the Scripture readings they could later complain that there were insufficient Scripture readings.
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Re: Feast of the Holy Rosary or 20th Sun after Pentecost?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2018, 03:56:18 AM »
Any Liturgical experts out there?

I am trying to figure out what Mass will be said on Sunday, October 7th. That Sunday happens to be the 20th Sunday after Pentecost, but it also falls on October 7, which is the Feast of the Holy Rosary.

Does the priest have a choice? Which one takes precedence over the other?
How about if the priest celebrates the mass of the 20th Sunday after Pentecost but also mentions the Holy Rosary in his homily?

Re: Feast of the Holy Rosary or 20th Sun after Pentecost?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 04:05:34 AM »
How about if the priest celebrates the mass of the 20th Sunday after Pentecost but also mentions the Holy Rosary in his homily?
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Traditional priests don't give a homily.  They give a sermon, but anyway, that's not part of Mass.
How about if he simply writes his own liturgy and does whatever he feels like doing which could change from minute to minute?
Light a campfire, stand in a circle around it, sing "On Eagle's Wings" and stuff like that? 
He could use the winning numbers from Bingo the night before to decide what the "readings" chapter and verse should be.