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Offline Neil Obstat

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Re: Fatima
« Reply #30 on: June 05, 2017, 12:25:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    During the papacy of St. John Paul II, the questions regarding the third Fatima secret intensified. In an interview with German magazine Stimme des Glaubens, published in October 1981, John Paul II was pressed explicitly about the third secret.

    He said: “Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the world wide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication.”

    He added that it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/
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    More contradictions.
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    JPII was afraid of political consequences from the release of the Third Secret, so he must have figured he knew better than the Mother of God about politics, otherwise he would have done what she had requested of him.
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    She gave him the solution to these political fears: Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary together with all the bishops of the world.  But he didn't do that.  He even SAID that Our Lady was "still awaiting" the Consecration of Russia exactly when the MSM was reporting that he had just made it. They said JPII had made a consecration of the world "with special mention of Russia." But JPII never spoke the word "Russia." How do you consecrate a country without mentioning the name of the country?
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    Do you write a check on your checking account using a check that does not have your account number on it?
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    Then they say he added "it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless." Okay, so what? Does that mean the Third Secret contains a predicted catastrophe against which Christians are helpless? Where in the published so-called Third Secret is there a catastrophe against which Christians are helpless? A half-ruined city? We have had hundreds of half-ruined cities in the past 100 years. Ever heard of Dresden? How about Fukushima or Heroshima or Nagasaki? Pearl Harbor? London was half ruined by the Nazis. Were Christians believing they were helpless against the ruin of those cities when JPII was talking about this in 1981?
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    It's really hard to swallow this. If the "half-ruined city" in the so-called Secret is what JPII was so afraid of, why was it released in 2000 without anyone being concerned?
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    It doesn't add up, sorry.
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    What DOES add up is this: the Vatican doesn't want to publish the Third Secret because it incriminates the Vatican.
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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #31 on: June 05, 2017, 08:44:46 AM »
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    More contradictions.
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    JPII was afraid of political consequences from the release of the Third Secret, so he must have figured he knew better than the Mother of God about politics, otherwise he would have done what she had requested of him.
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    She gave him the solution to these political fears: Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary together with all the bishops of the world.  But he didn't do that.  He even SAID that Our Lady was "still awaiting" the Consecration of Russia exactly when the MSM was reporting that he had just made it. They said JPII had made a consecration of the world "with special mention of Russia." But JPII never spoke the word "Russia." How do you consecrate a country without mentioning the name of the country?
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    Do you write a check on your checking account using a check that does not have your account number on it?
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    Then they say he added "it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless." Okay, so what? Does that mean the Third Secret contains a predicted catastrophe against which Christians are helpless? Where in the published so-called Third Secret is there a catastrophe against which Christians are helpless? A half-ruined city? We have had hundreds of half-ruined cities in the past 100 years. Ever heard of Dresden? How about Fukushima or Heroshima or Nagasaki? Pearl Harbor? London was half ruined by the Nazis. Were Christians believing they were helpless against the ruin of those cities when JPII was talking about this in 1981?
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    It's really hard to swallow this. If the "half-ruined city" in the so-called Secret is what JPII was so afraid of, why was it released in 2000 without anyone being concerned?
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    It doesn't add up, sorry.
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    What DOES add up is this: the Vatican doesn't want to publish the Third Secret because it incriminates the Vatican.
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    Maybe they don't want to publish it because it would be better for you if you didn't know.  


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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #32 on: June 05, 2017, 11:45:55 PM »
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  • He added that it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless.
    Holding up his rosary, the Pope declared: “Here is the remedy against this evil. Pray, pray and ask for nothing else. Put everything in the hands of the Mother of God.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

    The rosary is also the remedy against Boko Haram and against ISIS. 

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #33 on: June 06, 2017, 11:55:10 PM »
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  • On May 2, 1981, an Australian named Laurence James Downey, who claimed to be a defrocked French Trappist monk, hijacked an airplane and demanded that St. John Paul II reveal the Third Secret of Fatima. The man was believed to be armed with a bomb, but the incident was resolved without any injuries to passengers onboard.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #34 on: June 09, 2017, 12:29:48 AM »
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  • In 1984, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, said that “if [the Third Secret] is not published … it is to avoid confusing religious prophecy with sensationalism. But the things contained in the Third Secret correspond to what has been announced in Scripture and are confirmed by many other Marian apparitions.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/


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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #35 on: June 10, 2017, 12:44:13 AM »
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  • Widespread speculation and concern led to the secret’s publishing in 2000 by the Vatican. The late release angered many who read the secret and didn’t understand what was so controversial about it that delayed publication by decades.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #36 on: June 10, 2017, 11:30:10 PM »
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  • Conspirators questioned whether the authentic secret, or the secret in full, had actually been revealed. The Vatican version, which is claimed to be a photocopy of the original handwritten note from Sr. Lucia, took up four pages, while some allege that Sr. Lucia had actually written the third secret on just one page.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #37 on: June 11, 2017, 01:15:15 AM »
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  • <<<The rosary is also the remedy against Boko Haram and against ISIS. >>>
    It is also the remedy against those who fund Boko Haram and Isis and those who have caused, and want to cause, with the help of such groups, havoc against those Middle East nations that had/have sizeable Christian populations all of which who are now in great tribulation.


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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #38 on: June 11, 2017, 02:39:26 AM »
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  • Neil, good points but you are better off talking to a lamp-post.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #39 on: June 11, 2017, 03:02:42 AM »
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  • Here is a quote from Albert Kopsho (#23) which was made in response to Poche's post of May 08, 2017, 11:28:25 PM
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    It was not the actual Virgin Mary appearing but was a demonic spirit masquerading as the Virgin Mary. The Virgin Mary should be devoted to because she was not the one who was crucified on the Cross for the sins of mankind. Jesus should be the only one who should be devoted to since He was the one who was crucified on the cross for the sins of mankind.
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    Nobody could see your post, Albert, because you typed in Poche's quote box instead of beneath it. And so what you wrote was hidden unless one were to scroll down, so in future, be sure that you type below the quote frame.
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    What you write, however illustrates that you are not Catholic and do not understand the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary or the devotion we have to her. It shows that you know next to nothing about Fatima and I advise you, that if you should be interested in finding out more about Fatima and Our Blessed Mother's appearances there, that you should not garner too much from Poche's catholicnewsagency reports, which will only confuse and deceive you. You need to go to a reliable source. Maybe someone here can direct you to a more reliable source. Many of us here are not happy with the abuse Poche makes of this site.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #40 on: June 11, 2017, 11:39:21 PM »
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  • Some skeptics are also suspicious about the third secret because it does not contain any words directly from Mary, unlike the other secrets.
    Some also question the content of the secret, because it does not directly speak of the apocalypse, as was expected from interviews of Sr. Lucia.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/


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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #41 on: June 15, 2017, 01:52:01 AM »
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  • Others are also suspicious of Sr. Lucia’s transfer from the Dorothean Sisters, where she initially entered, to a cloistered Carmelite convent, the order she transferred to with permission in 1948. The move to the Carmelite order, which has strict rules about communication with the outside world, is seen by some as part of a larger conspiracy effort to censor her visions and the third secret.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #42 on: June 16, 2017, 05:07:54 AM »
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  • On the other hand, Sr. Lucia herself confirmed several times that the third secret as published by the Vatican is in full and correct. Specifically in a November 17, 2001 statement to the secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone, she confirmed that the Fatima secret has been totally revealed by the Vatican, and Russia has already been consecrated as Mary requested.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #43 on: June 17, 2017, 01:31:13 AM »
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  • Those who affirm that the secret has been fully revealed say that to question the secret’s authenticity is to question the original visionary’s credibility.
    The authenticity of the third secret has also been confirmed by the Popes and other Vatican officials.

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #44 on: June 18, 2017, 04:05:57 AM »
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  • When the secret was published, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger said that “The events to which the third part of the ‘secret’ of Fatima refers now seem part of the past. […] Those who expected exciting apocalyptic revelations about the end of the world or the future course of history are bound to be disappointed.”

    http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-fatima-part-2-85769/

     

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