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Re: Fatima
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2017, 12:00:36 AM »
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  • The second secret was a statement that World War I would end, and a prediction of another war that would start during the reign of Pius XI, if people continued to offend God and if Russia were not consecrated to her Immaculate Heart.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #16 on: May 22, 2017, 11:42:09 PM »
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  • As Sr. Lucia recalled in her memoirs, Our Lady said: “You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pope Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father. To prevent this, I shall come to ask for the Consecration of Russia to my Immaculate Heart, and the Communion of reparation on the First Saturdays. If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.”

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #17 on: May 23, 2017, 11:28:46 PM »
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  • Sr. Lucia believed that an aurora borealis, which appeared in the sky on January 25, 1938, was the “unknown light” to which Mary had referred. The celestial phenomenon could be seen throughout Europe and as far south as Australia, and across the Atlantic to Bermuda and parts of the United States.
    Shortly thereafter, Germany annexed Austria, and Japan had already invaded China in 1937. While the European portion of World War II is generally held by Western scholars to have officially started on September 1, 1939, under the reign of Venerable Pius XII, in many ways it was already begun under the reign of Pius XI, as Mary predicted.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #18 on: May 24, 2017, 11:47:19 PM »
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  • Sr. Lucia did not record the third part of the secret in her 1941 memoirs, because she said that Mary had not yet permitted her to reveal it to the world.
    However, Sr. Lucia fell seriously ill in 1943. Fearing her death before the third part of the secret was ever revealed, the local bishop asked that she write it down, which she did out of obedience. Sr. Lucia wrote the secret in January 1944, put it in an envelope and sealed it, asking that it not be opened until 1960, at which time she believed the meaning of the message would be clearer, or until she died, whichever came first.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #19 on: May 27, 2017, 04:31:18 AM »
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  • The envelope remained at the bishop’s office until 1957, at which time it was delivered to the Vatican, despite Lucia’s requests that it remain with the bishop.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #20 on: May 29, 2017, 11:35:57 PM »
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  • The secret was not revealed until the year 2000 – 40 years after Sr. Lucia thought it might be released – under the direction of the Holy See.  
    Cardinal Angelo Sodano, then the Vatican Secretary of State, announced that on May 13, 2000, 83 years after the first apparition, the Third Secret would finally be published. He said the secret referred to the 20th century persecution of Christians and the failed assassination attempt on St. John Paul II on May 13, 1981, the 64th anniversary of the first apparition.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #21 on: May 30, 2017, 11:23:08 PM »
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  • The text of the third secret was published by the Vatican on June 26, 2000:
    “After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: 'Penance, Penance, Penance!'. And we saw in an immense light that is God: 'something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it' a Bishop dressed in White 'we had the impression that it was the Holy Father'. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.”

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #22 on: May 31, 2017, 01:13:43 PM »
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  • It’s the most popular and well-known Marian apparition in the recent history of the Church.
    One hundred years ago, the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to three shepherd children in a field in Fatima, Portugal. She brought with her requests for the recitation of the rosary, for sacrifices on behalf of sinners, and a secret regarding the fate of the world.
    Every local bishop since has approved the apparitions and deemed them worthy of belief, the highest recognition a Marian apparition can receive from the Church.
    Miracle researcher Michael O’Neill told CNA that the Fatima apparitions could be considered the “gold standard of Marian apparitions.”
    “It has everything you’ve ever wanted to look for in a Marian apparition. It’s got these secrets, the prophecies, visionaries that will be canonized... you also have a feast day in the general Roman calendar, the approval of the local bishop, and of every pope afterwards, you have the canonization of the visionaries and the basilica that was built, so all the hallmarks of a Marian apparition are there,” he said. O’Neill records the details of Fatima, other Marian apparitions and all things miraculous on his site, miraclehunter.com.
    This year, Pope Francis is scheduled to visit the apparition site on May 12-13, the 100th anniversary of the first Fatima apparition. The visit will include the canonizations of two of the child visionaries, who died just a few years after the visions.
    But even though it’s been 100 years, “the messages of Fatima are as relevant today as they were in 1917,” O’Neill said.
    “The essence of the message is a call to conversion, and that’s something that’s as important in our life in modern times as it was when Mary appeared in 1917. I think this 100 year anniversary is a great opportunity for us to revisit the devotion and to re-incorporate it into our lives today.”
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    It was not the actual Virgin Mary appearing but was a demonic spirit masquerading as the Virgin Mary. The Virgin Mary should be devoted to because she was not the one who was crucified on the Cross for the sins of mankind. Jesus should be the only one who should be devoted to since He was the one who was crucified on the cross for the sins of mankind.


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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #23 on: May 31, 2017, 11:03:40 PM »
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  • The controversial third secret
    A century after the Fatima apparitions, controversies remain. The two biggest involve whether or not the full and authentic text of the third secret has been revealed, and whether or not Russia has been adequately consecrated to Mary.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #24 on: June 03, 2017, 12:34:56 AM »
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  • In 1960, the year Sr. Lucia intended the third secret to be published, the Vatican issued a press release stating that it was “most probable the Secret would remain, forever, under absolute seal.” Widespread speculation ensued about what this meant for the content of the secret, ranging from “worldwide nuclear annihilation to deep rifts in the Roman Catholic Church that lead to rival papacies,” according to the New York Times.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #25 on: June 03, 2017, 11:24:07 PM »
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  • St. John XXIII and Bl. Paul VI both reportedly read the secret, but decided not to release it to the public.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #26 on: June 04, 2017, 11:33:00 PM »
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  • In 1960, the year Sr. Lucia intended the third secret to be published, the Vatican issued a press release stating that it was “most probable the Secret would remain, forever, under absolute seal.” Widespread speculation ensued about what this meant for the content of the secret, ranging from “worldwide nuclear annihilation to deep rifts in the Roman Catholic Church that lead to rival papacies,” according to the New York Times.

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    This is incorrect. There was no press release published. A press release, by definition, has a source and/or an author. The tiny article, which was the only thing ever published saying this as some kind of announcement, had neither.
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    There was a tiny article that looked like an advertisement it was so small, in an obscure Italian newspaper, saying that the unpublished words spoken by Our Lady in the Fatima Secret would not be made public. The short article had no source, no signature, no author mentioned, no reporter's name and no reference. It was very odd. But observers noticed it and the rumor of its existence spread far and wide practically overnight, and this was before the Internet or even cell phones.
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    For many Catholics, years went by before they ever saw a copy of the tiny article, and most never saw one at all.
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    But one thing has so far been correct:  The Third Secret has not yet been revealed, even when the Vatican's spokesmen have said that it has been. They are lying, but that's no surprise, since if it had been released then the tiny article in January of 1960 would have been a lie. Either way there is a big lie.
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    There are many proofs that the text released in A.D. 2000 was not the text of the authentic Third Secret. The most obvious proof is that this thing they published has no words at all of Our Lady in it. It is merely a narration describing what the children had seen WHILE Our Lady spoke the words of the Third Secret.
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    But what we have of Sister Lucia's testimony that leads up to the real Third Secret is direct quotes of Our Lady's words which she spoke to the three shepherd children that day, July 13th, 1917. The words of Our Lady ended with these: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved," etc.
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    It was Sister Lucia who inserted the "etc." there which she explained stood in the place of the words Our Lady spoke which Lucia was not including in that testimony for public consumption.
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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #27 on: June 04, 2017, 11:51:32 PM »
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  • .
    This is incorrect. There was no press release published. A press release, by definition, has a source and/or an author. The tiny article, which was the only thing ever published saying this as some kind of announcement, had neither.
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    There was a tiny article that looked like an advertisement it was so small, in an obscure Italian newspaper, saying that the unpublished words spoken by Our Lady in the Fatima Secret would not be made public. The short article had no source, no signature, no author mentioned, no reporter's name and no reference. It was very odd. But observers noticed it and the rumor of its existence spread far and wide practically overnight, and this was before the Internet or even cell phones.
    .
    For many Catholics, years went by before they ever saw a copy of the tiny article, and most never saw one at all.
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    But one thing has so far been correct:  The Third Secret has not yet been revealed, even when the Vatican's spokesmen have said that it has been. They are lying, but that's no surprise, since if it had been released then the tiny article in January of 1960 would have been a lie. Either way there is a big lie.
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    There are many proofs that the text released in A.D. 2000 was not the text of the authentic Third Secret. The most obvious proof is that this thing they published has no words at all of Our Lady in it. It is merely a narration describing what the children had seen WHILE Our Lady spoke the words of the Third Secret.
    .
    But what we have of Sister Lucia's testimony that leads up to the real Third Secret is direct quotes of Our Lady's words which she spoke to the three shepherd children that day, July 13th, 1917. The words of Our Lady ended with these: "In Portugal, the dogma of the Faith will always be preserved," etc.
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    It was Sister Lucia who inserted the "etc." there which she explained stood in the place of the words Our Lady spoke which Lucia was not including in that testimony for public consumption.
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    If it was meant to be a secret then let it be. 

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #28 on: June 04, 2017, 11:52:58 PM »
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  • During the papacy of St. John Paul II, the questions regarding the third Fatima secret intensified. In an interview with German magazine Stimme des Glaubens, published in October 1981, John Paul II was pressed explicitly about the third secret.

    He said: “Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the world wide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication.”
    He added that it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless.

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    Re: Fatima
    « Reply #29 on: June 05, 2017, 12:25:08 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    During the papacy of St. John Paul II, the questions regarding the third Fatima secret intensified. In an interview with German magazine Stimme des Glaubens, published in October 1981, John Paul II was pressed explicitly about the third secret.

    He said: “Because of the seriousness of its contents, in order not to encourage the world wide power of Communism to carry out certain coups, my predecessors in the chair of Peter have diplomatically preferred to withhold its publication.”

    He added that it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless.

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    More contradictions.
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    JPII was afraid of political consequences from the release of the Third Secret, so he must have figured he knew better than the Mother of God about politics, otherwise he would have done what she had requested of him.
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    She gave him the solution to these political fears: Consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary together with all the bishops of the world.  But he didn't do that.  He even SAID that Our Lady was "still awaiting" the Consecration of Russia exactly when the MSM was reporting that he had just made it. They said JPII had made a consecration of the world "with special mention of Russia." But JPII never spoke the word "Russia." How do you consecrate a country without mentioning the name of the country?
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    Do you write a check on your checking account using a check that does not have your account number on it?
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    Then they say he added "it would be unhelpful to publish the secret if it led Christians to believe that there were a predicted catastrophe against which they were helpless." Okay, so what? Does that mean the Third Secret contains a predicted catastrophe against which Christians are helpless? Where in the published so-called Third Secret is there a catastrophe against which Christians are helpless? A half-ruined city? We have had hundreds of half-ruined cities in the past 100 years. Ever heard of Dresden? How about Fukushima or Heroshima or Nagasaki? Pearl Harbor? London was half ruined by the Nazis. Were Christians believing they were helpless against the ruin of those cities when JPII was talking about this in 1981?
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    It's really hard to swallow this. If the "half-ruined city" in the so-called Secret is what JPII was so afraid of, why was it released in 2000 without anyone being concerned?
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    It doesn't add up, sorry.
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    What DOES add up is this: the Vatican doesn't want to publish the Third Secret because it incriminates the Vatican.
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