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Offline Cryptinox

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When did "in saecula saeculorum" began to be prayed as"world without end?"
« on: March 16, 2024, 01:05:23 PM »
I am curious about when Catholics started saying "world without end" in the English Gloria Patri. I read that it originated from Cranmer but I am not sure if when most English speaking Catholics started to say "world without end" instead of something more accurate like "to the ages of ages." Did Catholics start saying it just after the reformation or did it creep in later on?
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Offline SimpleMan

Re: When did "in saecula saeculorum" began to be prayed as"world without end?"
« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2024, 01:46:19 PM »
Quote from: Cryptinox on March 16, 2024, 01:05:23 PM
I am curious about when Catholics started saying "world without end" in the English Gloria Patri. I read that it originated from Cranmer but I am not sure if when most English speaking Catholics started to say "world without end" instead of something more accurate like "to the ages of ages." Did Catholics start saying it just after the reformation or did it creep in later on?
Good point.  "To ages or ages" is precisely what it means.  "World without end" is something entirely different.

I always thought that didn't sound quite right.
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Offline CatholicChris

Re: When did "in saecula saeculorum" began to be prayed as"world without end?"
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2024, 02:48:29 PM »
In a livestream a few weeks ago, Fr. Mawdsley ended up finding it in use before the English revolution.
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Offline TKGS

Re: When did "in saecula saeculorum" began to be prayed as"world without end?"
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2024, 03:54:10 PM »
I read in an article or book by John Daly (I don't have the precise reference) that the English "world without end" was established by King Henry VIII around the same time he wrote, Defense of the Seven Sacraments around the time he was awarded the title, Defender of the Faith.
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