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Fast and abstinence in Hawaii before it became a state?
« on: March 03, 2022, 10:17:45 PM »
I am curious as to what a sede who lives in Hawaii would do during Lent. Hawaii only became a state in 1959 after the death of Pope Pius XII so I am not sure if the United States guidelines apply or not.  I have not looked into the rules of fast published for Hawaiian Catholics before V2 but this thought just occurred in my mind.

Re: Fast and abstinence in Hawaii before it became a state?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2022, 11:00:48 PM »
I am curious as to what a sede who lives in Hawaii would do during Lent. Hawaii only became a state in 1959 after the death of Pope Pius XII so I am not sure if the United States guidelines apply or not.  I have not looked into the rules of fast published for Hawaiian Catholics before V2 but this thought just occurred in my mind.

Without having black-letter-law proof in front of me, I have to think that whatever fasting regulations (arguendo that SV is true) existed for the United States as a whole, would also have applied to Hawaii.  While not a state, Hawaii was a US territory and thus part of the US.  

For that matter, the District of Columbia is not a state either.  I don't believe there were any differences between fasting regulations in DC and the then-48 states of the Union.  Sholl's Colonial Cafeteria would have complicated matters.  As a former DC-area resident, I can tell you that having to fast, and knowing that Sholl's existed nearby, would be quite the penance.  You will never have a better slice of pie.

http://www.streetsofwashington.com/2013/07/celebrated-sholls-cafeteria-featured.html


Re: Fast and abstinence in Hawaii before it became a state?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2022, 12:13:49 AM »
A situation just like Alaska.  Alaska became part of the U.S. as a territory when it was purchased from Russia in 1867 but did not become a state until January 3, 1959.

I found this interesting:

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Father John Althoff, a young Dutch priest of the Canadian Diocese of Vancouver Island, established the first permanent Catholic presence in the U. S. territory of Alaska when he founded Saint Rose of Lima Church in Wrangell on 3 May 1879. Having been assigned responsibility for missions in Alaska, Bishop Charles J. Seghers of the Diocese of Vancouver Island sent him to serve Wrangell, the Cassiar mining district on the Stikine River, and the former Russian capital of Sitka, where he would celebrate Mass in an old Russian carriage barn. Fr. Althoff subsequently moved to Juneau following the discovery of gold in the vicinity and celebrated the first mass and baptism in an interdenominational "Log Cabin Church" on 17 July 1882.[1]
The missions continued to expand as more missionaries arrived in the region. On 27 July 1894, Pope Leo XIII erected the Prefecture Apostolic of Alaska, taking the entire territory of Alaska from two Canadian dioceses - the Diocese of Vancouver Island and the Diocese of New Westminster, with its see in Juneau.[2]
On 22 December 1916, Pope Benedict XV elevated this jurisdiction to an vicariate apostolic.[3] He subsequently appointed Joseph Raphael John Crimont, S.J., until then the Prefect Apostolic of Alaska, as the first Vicar Apostolic of Alaska on 15 February 1917 and as titular Titular Bishop of Ammaedara on 22 March 1917. The jurisdiction actually got its first bishop when he received episcopal ordination on 25 July 1917.
On 23 June 1951, Pope Pius XII erected the Diocese of Juneau, taking the present territory of the Archdiocese of Anchorage-Juneau from the Vicariate Apostolic of Alaska, and simultaneously changed the title of the vicariate apostolic to Vicariate Apostolic of Northern Alaska and moved its see to Fairbanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Fairbanks


Re: Fast and abstinence in Hawaii before it became a state?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2022, 01:46:31 AM »
I am curious as to what a sede who lives in Hawaii would do during Lent. Hawaii only became a state in 1959 after the death of Pope Pius XII so I am not sure if the United States guidelines apply or not.  I have not looked into the rules of fast published for Hawaiian Catholics before V2 but this thought just occurred in my mind.
What an interesting question! I have no clue, but really would prefer to just BE IN Hawaii at this time. We are really tired of the snow and cold. 

I know they are not SedeVacantists, but there was the famous case of the SSPX Hawaii 6. I met one of the fellows that was caught up in that scenario. So not intending to take away, but your thread just reminded me of them.

Wouldn't they just follow whatever was in place for Lent when the Pope was alive?

Re: Fast and abstinence in Hawaii before it became a state?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2022, 02:07:43 AM »
A situation just like Alaska.  Alaska became part of the U.S. as a territory when it was purchased from Russia in 1867 but did not become a state until January 3, 1959.

I found this interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Fairbanks
Very interesting stuff! You have the neatest posts, and I look forward to them. Yes, Canadian Territory was brutal for Priests, and this Priest was one of many that had to travel great distances. New Westminster was the original capital city of British Columbia before Victoria.

In regards to the Priest? His name (because of the ending) almost sounds like he would be part of the Russian Doukhabors instead. They were a crazy bunch according to relatives, and apparently would be often protesting and doing so without clothing! And if memory serves, they would get into trouble with the local Catholics besides the law.

But there is something that stood out in this lengthy link--I haven't read it all, but it seems to confirm something of family heritage that was a nagging question--in how DID my ancestors escape and get to Canada? Similar to these guys it seems...

With the Doukhobors to Canada | Doukhobor Heritage

I always thought Alaska should be part of Canada, however...it would be nice enough to visit there one day. Alaska has always been a prime spot to watch for invasion from Russia. If they decide to invade US and Canada now, it's quite easy to do from up there. (Maybe Sarah Palin will run out with her rifle and save the day, lol. Kidding.) Back to the regular program...

Oh. Here's a weird thought--I wonder if whale blubber and seal meat would be allowed for the Alaska population during Lent? Both of those are eaten as food sources by Indigenous Peoples. Many of them were converted to the Catholic Faith by Priests such as the one you mentioned from Vancouver Island.