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Offline Crusader1

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« on: August 17, 2013, 12:46:49 AM »
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  • I am posting to request prayer and advice if possible.

    Sometime back, I met with an exorcist who told me that I need minor exorcism prayers. He said that he was far too busy to help me though, and sent me off to find a priest on my own. He said that since I only need minor prayers, any priest could help me and asked for me to find one who would.

    At first I ended up with a Novus Ordo exorcist who botched everything. I asked my local priest for help, but he refused.

    I started asking all the priests that I could. One after another kept turning me away. They always were either too busy, or had some other reason why they could not help. Often I was ignored for weeks, even months on end, only to be told in the end that they could not help me and refused to recommend someone who they knew might be able to.

    They also kept sending me back to the Novus Ordo exorcists. Finally, in desperation I tried to work with another Novus Ordo exorcist, who again was entirely unhelpful. It was so bad that even the traditional priests felt I should try to find a traditionalist to work with me, and not him, but they could not find anyone who would.

    I begged, pleaded, begged and begged again and again for someone who can use the traditional rites to help me. But everyone always had an excuse.

    I have been asking for years now, and it is getting very difficult. The Novus Ordo priests are always willing to help, but the traditionalists will not. The traditional exorcists either say that my problems are not bad enough and so I should work with a diocesan priests (or come up with some other reason), and the diocesan priests say that they have a million reasons why they cannot do that and that I should be with an exorcist.

    The last person that I asked told me point blank that the Novus Ordo prayers are not effective and can only make my situation worse, but then told me that my only option is to go to my liberal diocesan exorcist and have those same Novus Ordo prayers said over me. When I asked for help to find a traditional exorcist, after another one had refused to help me, I was refused that help.

    I posted here because I wanted to ask for prayer and also to ask if it is normal to have ones problems worsened by the constant rejection from those who will not help?

    After awhile, when you keep asking for help and keep being rejected, it seems to make things a lot worse. Is that normal? To have ones problems worsened by the endless rejection?


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    « Reply #1 on: August 17, 2013, 01:01:28 AM »
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  • Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 17, 2013, 01:04:43 AM »
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  • I will pray for you.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 17, 2013, 03:34:13 AM »
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  • I will pray for you too. Ave Maria!

    Remember to say short prayers aloud repeatedly, from the heart, like 'Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, protect us.' The holy name said aloud thwarts the demons.

    Like flies being struck, they fly away, then of course, often enough they come back swiftly, until you say the prayer again.

    The St. Michael prayer, recourse to Our Lady, and of course, giving up sinful habits, vices, rather having habits of virtue instead of vices are all key. Praying acts of perfect contrition. Praying acts of charity.

    As I'm sure someone who has been through so much knows, but it's good to remember the basics. :D

    Also having an image of the Sacred Heart of Jesus through which you honor Him is helpful.

    The demons try for extremes, attachments, sins, against the virtue of temperance. But God is the answer to everything. :D




    Sincerely,

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    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2013, 04:31:17 PM »
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  • Thank you for the prayers and suggestions. :-)

    I suppose what I am wondering is if it is true that the constant refusal to help is a normal catalyst for worsening the problem.

    When I worked with the Novus Ordo exorcist, they had me tested by a psychologist.

    The psychologist I worked with told me that it is very normal for someones problems to be worsened by the refusal of others to help in any way, and to instead just close the door in their face without offering any other help so to speak. He told me it was normal for me to feel worse as a result of the way I was treated (still am treated).

    Sort of like how in the beginning of psychology there were huge scandals due to patients being denied help and ignored. They felt it was cruel because the people needed help and were reaching out but were not getting it.

    It has worsened my problems by about 80% - in a way, it would almost be better if I had never tried to reach out to get help. The majority of the suffering that I have gone through is a result of the way I have been treated when I try to get the right type of help.

    So I wanted to ask others if that constant refusal and being spun in circles by people is a normal catalyst for worsening a problem?

    I have to be honest that if I was a weaker person I probably would have killed myself as a result of this treatment by now - not as a result of my problem, but as a result of the constant rejection to the point of people being harsh and unkind.

    I appreciate your thoughts.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 05:01:33 PM »
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  • Exorcism Against Satan and the Rebellious Angels

    PUBLISHED BY ORDER OF HIS HOLINESS, Pope LEO XIII, May 18th 1890 (translation)

    *The Holy Father exhorts priests to make use of this exorcism as often as possible.
    It is therefore worthy of propagation. The faithful also may say it as any approved prayer.

    (Note: where the symbol (†) is found, in the prayer of exorcism, the sign of the cross is to be made.)


    In the Name of The Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

    PRAYER TO SAINT MICHAEL, THE ARCHANGEL

    In the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, Amen.

    Let GOD arise and let His enemies be scattered: and let them that hate Him flee from before His Face!

    As smoke vanisheth, so let them vanish away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the Presence of GOD (Ps 67:1-2). Judge Thou, O' Lord, them that wrong me: overthrow them that fight against me.

    Let them be confounded and ashamed that seek after my soul. Let them be turned back and be confounded that devise evil against me. Let them become as dust before the wind: and let the Angel of the Lord straighten them. Let their way become dark and slippery: and let the Angel of the Lord pursue them.

    For without cause they have hidden their net for me unto destruction: without cause they have upbraided my soul.

    Let the snare which he knoweth not, come upon him: and let the net which he hath hidden, catch him: and into that very snare let him fall. But my soul shall rejoice in the Lord, and shall be delighted in His Salvation (Ps 34:1, 4-9).

    Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end, Amen.

    O' Most Glorious Prince of the Heavenly Armies, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in our wrestling against principalities and powers against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places (Ephes 6:12). Come to the aid of men, whom GOD created incorruptible, and to the Image of His own Likeness He made him (Wis 2:23); and from the tyranny of the devil He bought him at a great price (Cor 7:23).

    Fight the battles of the Lord today with the Army of the Blessed Angels, as once thou didst fight against lucifer, the leader of pride, and his apostate angels; and they prevailed not: neither was their place found anymore in Heaven. But that great dragon was cast out, the old serpent, who is called the devil and satan, who seduceth the whole world. And he was cast unto the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him (Apoc 12:8-9).

    Behold, the ancient enemy and murderer strongly raises his head! Transformed into an angel of light, with the entire horde of wicked spirits he goes about everywhere and takes possession of the earth, so that therein he may blot out the Name of GOD and of His Christ and steal away, afflict and ruin into everlasting destruction the souls destined for a Crown of Eternal Glory. On men depraved in mind and corrupt in heart the wicked dragon pours out like a most foul river, the poison of his villany, a spirit of lying, impiety and blasphemy; and the deadly breath of lust and of all iniquities and vices. Her most crafty enemies have engulfed the Church, the Spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, with sorrows, they have drenched her with wormwood; on all her desirable things they have laid their wicked hands.

    Where the See of the Blessed Peter and the Chair of Truth have been set up for the light of the gentiles, there they have placed the throne of the abomination of their wickedness, so that, the Pastor having been struck, they may also be able to scatter the flock. Therefore, O' thou unconquerable Leader, be present with the people of GOD and against the spiritual wickedness which are bursting in upon them; and bring them the victory.

    The Holy Church venerates thee as its Guardian and Patron; and it glories in the fact that thou art its Defender against the wicked powers of earth and hell. To thee the Lord has assigned the souls of the redeemed to be placed in Heavenly bliss. Beseech the GOD of Peace to crush satan under our feet, that he may no more be able to hold men captive and to harm the Church. Offer our prayers in the sight of the Most High, so that the mercies of the Lord may quickly come to our aid, that thou mayest seize the dragon, the ancient serpent, who is the devil and satan and that having bound him, thou mayest cast him into the bottomless pit, so that he may no more seduce the nations (Apoc 20:3).

    Hence confiding in thy protection and guardianship, by the sacred authority of our ministry, we confidently and securely begin the task in the Name of Jesus Christ our GOD and Lord, of driving away the attacks of diabolical deceit.

    Behold the Cross of the Lord, flee away ye hostile forces.
         All: The lion of the tribe of Juda, the root of David hath conquered

    May Thy mercy, O' Lord, be upon us.
         All: Since we have hoped in Thee.

    O' Lord, hear my prayer.
         All: And let my cry come unto Thee.

    The Lord be with you,
         All: And with thy spirit.

    LET US PRAY:

    O' GOD and Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, we invoke Thy Holy Name, and we humbly implore Thy mercy, that by the intercession of the Mother of GOD Mary Immaculate Ever Virgin, of Blessed Michael the Archangel, of Blessed Joseph the Spouse of the same Blessed Virgin, of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul and of all the Saints, Thou wouldst deign to afford us help against satan and all the other unclean spirits and against whatever wanders throughout the world to do harm to the human race and to ruin souls, through the same Christ Our Lord, Amen.

    We exorcize thee, O' every unclean spirit, satanic power, infernal invader, wicked legion, assembly and sect; in the Name and by the power of Our Lord Jesus Christ (+); may thou be snatched away and driven from the Church of GOD and from the souls made to the Image and Likeness of GOD and redeemed by the Precious Blood of the Divine Lamb (+). Most cunning serpent, thou shalt no more dare to deceive the human race, persecute the Church, torment GOD's elect and sift them as wheat (+). The Most High GOD commands thee (+). He with whom in your great insolence, thou still claimest to be equal; He who wants all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth (1 Tim 2:4).

    GOD the Father commands thee (+), GOD the Son commands thee (+), GOD the Holy Ghost commands thee (+). The Majesty of Christ, the Eternal Word of GOD made flesh, commands thee (+); He Who to save our race outdone through thy envy, "humbled himself, becoming obedient even unto death" (Phil 2:8). He who has built His Church on the firm rock and declared that the gates of hell shall never prevail against Her, because He will dwell with Her "all days even to the end of the world" (Mat 28:20). The Sacred Sign of the Cross commands thee (+), as does also the power of the Mysteries of the Christian Faith (+), the Glorious Mother of GOD, the Virgin Mary, commands thee (+); She who by Her humility and from the first moment of Her Immaculate Conception, crushed thy proud head. The faith of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul and of the other Apostles command thee (+). The Blood of the Martyrs and the pious intercession of all the Saints command thee (+).

    Thus, cursed dragon and thee diabolical legion, we adjure thee by the Living GOD (+), by the True GOD (+), by the Holy GOD (+), by the GOD "who so loved the world that He gave up His Only Son, that every soul believing in Him might not perish but have life everlasting" (John 17:1-3); stop deceiving human creatures and pouring out to them the poison of eternal damnation; stop harming the Church and ensnaring her liberty. BEGONE, satan, inventor and master of all deceit, enemy of man's salvation. Give place to Christ in whom thou hast found none of your works; give place to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church acquired by Christ at the price of His Blood. Stoop beneath the powerful Hand of GOD; tremble and flee when we invoke the Holy and terrible Name of Jesus, this Name which cause hell to tremble, this Name to which the Virtues, Powers and Dominations of Heaven are humbly submissive, this Name which the Cherubim and Seraphim praise unceasingly repeating: Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord, the GOD of Armies!

    O' Lord, hear my prayer,
         All: And let my cry come unto Thee

    May the Lord be with thee,
         All: And with thy spirit.

    LET US PRAY:

    GOD of Heaven, GOD of Earth, GOD of Angels, GOD of Archangels, GOD of Patriarchs, GOD of Prophets, GOD of Apostles, GOD of Martyrs, GOD of Confessors, GOD of Virgins, GOD Who has power to give life after death and rest after work, because there is no other GOD than Thee and there can be no other, for Thou art the Creator of all things, visible and invisible, of whose Reign there shall be no end. We humbly prostrate ourselves before Thy Glorious Majesty and we beseech Thee to deliver us by Thy Power from all the tyranny of the infernal spirits, from their snares, their lies and their furious wickedness; deign, O' Lord, to grant us Thy powerful protection and to keep us safe and sound. We beseech Thee through Jesus Christ Our Lord, Amen.

    From the snares of the devil,
         All: Deliver us O' Lord.

    Grant that Thy Church may serve Thee in secure liberty,
         All: We beseech Thee, hear us.

    Deign to crush down the enemies of the Holy Church,
         All: We beseech Thee, hear us.

    (Holy Water is sprinkled in the place where he may be)

    St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the day of battle; be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May GOD rebuke him, we humbly pray and do thou, O' Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the Power of GOD, cast into hell satan and all the other evil spirits, who prowl throughout the world, seeking the ruin of souls, Amen.

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus,

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus,

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus,

    Have mercy on us.


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    I think, but am not sure, that the Novus Ordo says that laymen should not pray this prayer, but then again it was recommended to me to pray by an SSPX priest.
    R.I.P.
    Please pray for the repose of my soul.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 05:04:46 PM »
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  • Thank you.

    Yes, I have that prayer and I do say it.

    It is the same prayer that I was told that I need to find a priest to say over me, but no one will.

    This one simple prayer that I can say in maybe five minutes or so, no one else has the time to say.

    I do not understand?

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    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 05:19:23 PM »
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  • Well, Crusader1 if I were a priest, I would be glad to say it for you.

    But you must not despair, that is what the demons want, nor, should you be too discouraged because you cannot get one to help you in this fashion.

    I know how you feel, believe me I do, I have been refused much needed help for some simple requests. We must bear it with God however hard.

    Trust in God's Providence and protection. Even if these priests refuse you, He is still there all the time protecting you. If you are going through some terrible things, remember that God is with you through them all too. He loves you, and with His grace you can bear it, however terrible it is.

    I was emailed some prayers once to say to help break demonic attacks, they are quite lengthy, if you like PM me and I'll send them to you. The prayers should help to some degree. How much I cannot say.

    A lot of these struggles are calls for interior change in oneself to bear them better, and to change one's way of life I think. Other times, I think, there is no knowing why perhaps, but simply to be born with the mortification of not knowing, which is very humbling in a good way.

    The desert fathers always battled the demons, I always think reading them is very helpful to learn to hold up well. Is there something about this perhaps you could ask about help with besides finding a priest? I'm sure folks would be glad to do what they can for you.

    Ask people who pray from the heart to pray for you. The more folks who pray for you and truly care the better you will be able to bear. I am praying for you.

    And remember to ask your guardian angel to lift up your prayers to God. He will give them special strength. The more help you can ask for from Heaven the better, especially Our Lady and St. Michael.


    Memorare
    of St. Bernard

    Remember, O most gracious virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help or sought your intercession was left unaided. Inspired with this confidence, I fly to you, O virgin of virgins, my mother. To you I come, before you I stand sinful and sorrowful. O mother of the word incarnate, do not ignore my petitions but in your mercy hear and answer me.

    Memorare, O piissima Virgo Maria, non esse auditum a saeculo, quemquam ad tua currentem praesidia, tua implorantem auxilia, tua petentem suffragia, esse derelictum. Ego tali animatus confidentia, ad te, Virgo Virginum, Mater, curro, ad te venio, coram te gemens peccator assisto. Noli, Mater Verbi, verba mea despicere; sed audi propitia et exaudi.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

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    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 05:23:22 PM »
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  •  :incense:
    Have you asked any SSPX priests for help?  (Just curious.)  Pray the St. Michael prayer and the Memorare DAILY.  
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2013, 05:27:16 PM »
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  • The best advice I can give you is to pray always (short repeated prayers help for this), pray from the heart, and avoid sin. Live a balanced, temperate (i.e. no extremes, no spending too much time on any one thing) life. Temperance is a virtue. Live for the supernatural, suffer the natural.

    And spend time in church if you can, or in Adoration. You will feel more relieved on holy ground, near the tabernacle. If you haven't been taught Eucharistic Adoration yet, take it up.
    Sincerely,

    Shin

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    « Reply #10 on: August 17, 2013, 05:50:26 PM »
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  • Thank you Shin. :-)

    How many times I have wished someone in real life would say that and really mean it. :-) Just a few simple words like that, truly meant and followed up on, would have been such a huge help.

    This system is not letting me access private messages for some reason yet, but thank you for the offer to send me some prayers. I have quite a few that I use, but if they let me use the message system I will be in touch.

    Frances, I would like to ask the SSPX but was told by another traditional priest that they do not have jurisdiction, so I was told their prayers would be ineffective.

    Plus, after everything I have gone through, I am paralyzed in a way to keep asking. I seem to get picked on, put down, attacked, etc. when I ask. Not always, but sometimes. Or, I am accused of wanting attention or they think I am just an unbalanced freak.

    This has made my situation worse in that it is very hard for me to keep asking. In some situations it has taken me a very long time to get up the courage to ask, and then when I finally do I am slammed. I understand that people need correction, but sometimes it is done in a way that breaks a person rather than actually helping them - I had one situation where I could not even function right afterwards, it was so bad.

    I guess I am just stuck. I am afraid to ask anymore because when I do it makes everything worse.

    The constant rejection is the hardest, and that is what has made everything worse. It seems to me that reaching out should not make matters worse, but it does, and that is what I do not understand.

    I feel like the Church does not want to help me, because their words say they do but their actions say they don't. They say they love souls and want to help them, but their words and their actions do not match which is perplexing.

    It feels like, "we say we love you, but there is the door - get out and go find someone else. We are not going to help you though." If I read their actions, they clearly do not care at all, which is what is so difficult. :sad:


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    « Reply #11 on: August 17, 2013, 06:07:26 PM »
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  • Have you contacted CMRI, Bishop Pivarunus?  

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    « Reply #12 on: August 17, 2013, 06:39:05 PM »
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  • I am confused on who to ask to be honest.

    The traditionalists have told me that if I ask the SSPX, their help will be ineffective because they do not have jurisdiction.

    I have been told by the traditionalists that I must go to the liberal Novus Ordo exorcists, which is still more confusing because the same people that told me to go to the Novus Ordo have also told me that prayers said by the Novus Ordo will not be effective and could only make my situation worse.

     :confused1:

    That is even more confusing to me, because it is like saying, "your only option is to put yourself in the hands of the same people who could make everything worse." I do not understand that.

    So basically, I have been told that I only have one option which, if I follow it, will only make my situation worse or at the least be a waste of time. (And I can vouch for that, as I already tried that route.)

    I do not know much about the sedevacantists, but I am assuming that if I was told the SSPX cannot help me, then I would be told the same about them.

    I really do not know a lot about all of the different positions on these matters, so my apologies for any ignorance.

    The entire thing of who to ask is highly confusing.  :sad:



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    « Reply #13 on: August 17, 2013, 07:54:06 PM »
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  •  :pray:

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    « Reply #14 on: August 18, 2013, 07:24:28 PM »
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  • Off topic, but does anyone know how to access the private message system?

    It shows that some people have sent me messages, but I cannot access it. It says this:

    Personal Messenger To use the private message system, you must be an established member.

    I do not know how to be established? I already registered with my email so I am not sure.

    If anyone knows, let me know.

    Thanks. :-)