Author Topic: Eucharistic Miracle (Read 1671 times)

Incredulous · « **Reply #30 on:** December 22, 2019, 01:39:52 PM »

Quote from: poche on December 21, 2019, 11:38:02 PM

Could it be that the Novus Ordo is not invalid? Mgr. Lefebvre recognized its validity.

Right-on Poche!

And in that context, what was wrong with +ABL celebrating the Novus ordo missae?

The average SSPX indoctrinated trad will adamantly deny that he did... but what's the big deal... if he thought it was valid?

Some graces are still emmanating from St. John XXIII's Council... right?

ByzCat3000 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 22, 2019, 09:19:24 PM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on December 22, 2019, 10:39:19 AM

Riiiiight. As if anyone here needs encouragement in believing in the Real Presence.

Yeah. I think the miracle could be real. And I think that a miracle in the Orthodox Church could be real. But I think Poche posting it here is really weird (and yeah, we all know why he did it)

poche · « **Reply #32 on:** December 25, 2019, 12:11:33 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on December 22, 2019, 10:39:19 AM

Riiiiight. As if anyone here needs encouragement in believing in the Real Presence.

We can never have enough of singing the praise of Jesus, and in particular of His presence in the Blessed Sacrament.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #33 on:** December 25, 2019, 06:28:29 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous on December 21, 2019, 04:54:49 PM

It is so very easy to claim a miracle occurred.

In this case, there needs to close scrutiny of the evidence and verification of the credentials of the all involved (doctors, scientists and priests) and the equipment used to make the analysis of the Host.

Right. That would be the first responsible step.
Here's an initial contribution, a start (a detailed obituary of Dr. Zugibe):
https://www.google.com/amp/s/obits.lohud.com/amp/obituaries/lohud/166840542
Merry Christmas to all, and glory to Our Lord, Jesus Christ!

DecemRationis · « **Reply #34 on:** December 25, 2019, 06:38:34 AM »

I attach another obit of Dr. Zugibe, even more detailed.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #35 on:** December 25, 2019, 07:16:18 AM »

We know Satan deceives, and produces false signs and wonders.

We also are told by the Church about God's use of true miracles:

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4. Nevertheless, in order that the submission of our faith should be in accordance with reason, it was God's will that there should be linked to the internal assistance of the Holy Spirit external indications of his revelation, that is to say divine acts, and first and foremost miracles and prophecies, which clearly demonstrating as they do the omnipotence and infiniteknowledge of God, are the most certain signs of revelation and are suited to the understanding of all.
5. Hence Moses and the prophets, and especially Christ our lord himself, worked many absolutely clear miracles and delivered prophecies; while of the apostles we read: And they went forth and preached every, while the Lord worked with them and confirmed the message by the signs that attended it [18]. Again it is written: We have the prophetic word made more sure; you will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place [19].
https://www.ewtn.com/catholicism/library/first-vatican-council-1505

For the sake of discussion: is anyone aware of real miracles - not false miracles or the apparently (through a deceived human perception) miraculous, but a scientifically verified factual miracle - happening that is connected with a false religion?

DecemRationis · « **Reply #36 on:** December 25, 2019, 07:18:59 AM »

For example, I can't think of any "Protestant" miracles.

DecemRationis · « **Reply #37 on:** December 25, 2019, 08:51:05 AM »

Pope Francis’ Witness to a Miracle

In cases where the Church announces a true Eucharistic miracle, there must be no other reasonable explanation, and scientific evidence verifies that the blood or flesh is human.

While Pope Francis was the auxiliary bishop in the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires, Argentina, just such a miracle took place in 1996, in the parish of Santa Maria y Caballito Almagro. Renowned scientist Ricardo Castanon Gomez, who headed up the investigation, explained the miracle in a video. The story is also told in detail in by Ron Tesoriero.

On Aug. 15, 1996, the feast of the Assumption of Mary, a woman approached Father Alejandro Pezet after Mass to report she had found a desecrated Host on a candleholder at the back of the church. The priest followed canon law for proper disposal, putting it in a glass of water to dissolve. Instead, the Host appeared to turn into a bloody piece of meat.

Cardinal Antonio Quarracino and our current Pope Francis, then-Auxiliary Bishop Jorge Mario Bergoglio, had it photographed on Sept. 6, 1996. The photographs show a fragment of bloodied flesh that had become larger than a host.

Testing Begins

It was placed in a tabernacle; and after three years, with no signs of visible decay, Bishop Bergoglio opened an investigation. On Oct. 5, 1999, in the company of witnesses, Gomez sent a sample of the blood to Forensic Analytical in San Francisco.

So as not to be influenced in any way, no scientists were told where the sample came from. The results came back that it was human blood, AB-positive.
Tissue samples were then sent to Dr. Frederick Zugibe, of Columbia University in New York, a renowned cardiologist and forensic pathologist. His results on March 26, 2005, identified the sample as human flesh and blood. Zugibe testified that it was “a fragment of the heart muscle found in the wall of the left ventricle close to the valves.” Because white blood cells had penetrated the tissue, he stated that “the heart had been under severe stress, as if the owner had been beaten severely about the chest.”

Author Tesoriero actually witnessed these tests, along with Mike Wilesee, a well-known Australian journalist. Wilesee asked the scientist how long white blood cells can remain alive from a piece of human tissue kept in water. Zugibe told them it would last a matter of minutes. When he learned it had been in water for more than three years, Zugibe was amazed and said that the cells from the sample were moving and beating as a heart would, so there was no way to scientifically explain his findings.

Then Gomez arranged to compare those lab reports with the ones from the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano, Italy. That miracle took place during the eighth century. A priest-monk suffered from doubts about Transubstantiation, wondering if the bread and wine really did become the Body and Blood of Christ. He prayed for help believing it was true. At the Consecration of one of his Masses, the Host changed into a circle of flesh, and the wine became blood before the eyes of numerous witnesses. The Host-turned-flesh and the wine-turned-blood, without the use of any form of preservative, are still present more than 1,300 years later in a reliquary at St. Francis Church in Lanciano. They have been scientifically tested a number of times, with the last one being in 1970.

Again, without revealing the origin of the test samples, the experts compared the Buenos Aires lab reports with those from Lanciano. They concluded that the reports must be from the same samples. Both samples revealed an “AB”-positive blood type, which occurs in 5% of the population. The DNA is identical, and there are features to indicate that the man came from the Middle East. (It is also noteworthy that these lab results match up with those from the Shroud of Turin and the Cloth of Oviedo.)

Science Increases Faith

Teaching about Eucharistic miracles like these can increase faith and bring people back to the Catholic Church, according to Dorie Gruss of Lombard, Ill., director of the Real Presence Eucharistic Education and Adoration Association. The late Father John Hardon, whose cause is up for canonization, was the association’s founding spiritual director. Gruss said he often told her, “If you don’t believe in the Eucharist, you are not really Catholic.”

The association promotes perpetual adoration and has created an exhibit and published a book (by the same name) on 140 Vatican-approved Eucharistic miracles called “The Vatican International Exhibition: The Eucharistic Miracles of the World.” It has been displayed in 18,000 churches.

“Father Hardon believed that the essence of the Catholic faith is the Eucharist,” Gruss explained. “He could see the disrespect for the Eucharist, especially after Vatican II. He wanted to get back to Catholics believing in the True Presence, so our website is Father Hardon’s work.”

According to Gruss, educating people about Vatican-approved Eucharistic miracles is a way to convince them with scientific evidence that at the Last Supper Jesus literally meant it when he said, “This is my Body, and this is my Blood.”

“These miracles bring about a resurgence of faith in the Eucharist,” she said. “And that is something we really need right now.”

https://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/eucharistic-miracle-bleeding-host-phenomenon-reported-in-dioceses-worldwide

SimpleMan · « **Reply #38 on:** December 25, 2019, 09:33:33 PM »

Are the Sacred Species from the miracle in Argentina still around? Are they incorrupt, and is the tissue still pulsating as it was when the miracle first took place? If not, are they dessicated? Or have they decomposed?

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