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EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
« on: September 18, 2022, 05:30:10 PM »
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    • For those who call themselves traditional Catholics, this coming week is an Ember Week.
    Fast and abstinence on Wednesday, Friday and Saturday.
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #1 on: September 18, 2022, 05:48:29 PM »
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    • Not Wednesday this time (i.e., the Feast of St. Matthew the Apostle takes precedence, so only Friday and Saturday are subject to the traditional penances).
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #2 on: September 18, 2022, 07:04:19 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 18, 2022, 05:48:29 PM
    Not Wednesday this time (i.e., the Feast of St. Matthew the Apostle takes precedence, so only Friday and Saturday are subject to the traditional penances).
    It’s still an Ember Day, and still a day of Fast and Partial Abstinence.   

    The Feast of St. Matthew is not a Holy Day of obligation so it does not displace the Fast and Partial Abstinence of the Ember Day. 
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #3 on: September 18, 2022, 07:19:33 PM »
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    • Already on my calendar
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #4 on: September 18, 2022, 07:28:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 18, 2022, 05:48:29 PM
    Not Wednesday this time (i.e., the Feast of St. Matthew the Apostle takes precedence, so only Friday and Saturday are subject to the traditional penances).

    I’ve never heard of this before, can you give a reference?
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #5 on: September 18, 2022, 08:24:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 18, 2022, 07:28:54 PM
    I’ve never heard of this before, can you give a reference?

    This is all I could find in English (but you will notice your 1962 liturgical calendar has no fish or partial fish symbol for Wednesday, as it does for Friday and Saturday, because this year it falls on the Feast of St. Matthew):

    "A second indication of this new reckoning is provided in the Proprium Sanctorum section of the 1962 Missale Romanum, wherein a rubrical note is printed after the collects for the Feast of St. Matthew, Apostle and Evangelist (September 21):

    Et, in Quatuor Temporibus, fit commemoratio feriæ.

    Here, the term feriæ is referring to the Ember Day which is a II class ferial. This note indicates that the September Ember Days might be observed within that time frame—though they could also be observed between September 18 and 27 as the earliest and latest dates."
    https://www.romanitaspress.com/reckoning-sept-ember-days

    En France, here is the FSSPX online Ordo (which reduced Ember Wednesday to a commemoration, and the liturgical color red for St. Matthew, whereas Friday and Saturday are Ember Days, purple, and fast/abstinence):

    https://laportelatine.org/ordo
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #6 on: September 18, 2022, 08:28:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 18, 2022, 08:24:23 PM
    This is all I could find in English (but you will notice your 1962 liturgical calendar has no fish or partial fish symbol for Wednesday, as it does for Friday and Saturday, because because this year it falls on the Feast of St. Matthew):

    "A second indication of this new reckoning is provided in the Proprium Sanctorum section of the 1962 Missale Romanum, wherein a rubrical note is printed after the collects for the Feast of St. Matthew, Apostle and Evangelist (September 21):

    Et, in Quatuor Temporibus, fit commemoratio feriæ.

    Here, the term feriæ is referring to the Ember Day which is a II class ferial. This note indicates that the September Ember Days might be observed within that time frame—though they could also be observed between September 18 and 27 as the earliest and latest dates."
    https://www.romanitaspress.com/reckoning-sept-ember-days

    I don’t go by the ‘62 calendar, but thanks for the explanation.
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #7 on: September 18, 2022, 08:37:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on September 18, 2022, 08:28:15 PM
    I don’t go by the ‘62 calendar, but thanks for the explanation.

    I agree that the old calendar (pre-1960) was better.

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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #8 on: September 18, 2022, 08:41:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 18, 2022, 08:24:23 PM
    This is all I could find in English (but you will notice your 1962 liturgical calendar has no fish or partial fish symbol for Wednesday, as it does for Friday and Saturday, because this year it falls on the Feast of St. Matthew):

    "A second indication of this new reckoning is provided in the Proprium Sanctorum section of the 1962 Missale Romanum, wherein a rubrical note is printed after the collects for the Feast of St. Matthew, Apostle and Evangelist (September 21):

    Et, in Quatuor Temporibus, fit commemoratio feriæ.

    Here, the term feriæ is referring to the Ember Day which is a II class ferial. This note indicates that the September Ember Days might be observed within that time frame—though they could also be observed between September 18 and 27 as the earliest and latest dates."
    https://www.romanitaspress.com/reckoning-sept-ember-days

    En France, here is the FSSPX online Ordo (which reduced Ember Wednesday to a commemoration, and the liturgical color red for St. Matthew, whereas Friday and Saturday are Ember Days, purple, and fast/abstinence):

    https://laportelatine.org/ordo
    The SSPX (at least in the US.) actually claim that none of the Ember Days are binding.  😅

    "Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday of this week are EMBER DAYS, traditionally days of fast and abstinence, but they no longer bind under pain of sin."

    https://smac.edu/en/news-events/calendar/ember-wednesday-70878

    The only time I have heard of a fast or abstinence day being over-ruled by a solemnity feast is in the Novus ordo.  Traditionally it had to be a Holy Day of Obligation to trump a fast and abstinence day or even partial abstinence.  

    That being said...  Some countries might claim Saint Matthew as a Holy Day of Obligation as some claim Saint Peter and Paul as a Holy Day of Obligation.  If you live in such a country where the feast of Saint Matthew is a Holy Day, then yes no fasting or abstinence.  

    I have never heard or seen any other exception to this.  But, it would be interesting to hear if someone knows something contrary to this.  😇

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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #9 on: September 18, 2022, 08:43:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: AMDGJMJ on September 18, 2022, 08:41:43 PM
    The SSPX actually claim that none of the Ember Days are binding.  😅

    "Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday of this week are EMBER DAYS, traditionally days of fast and abstinence, but they no longer bind under pain of sin."

    https://smac.edu/en/news-events/calendar/ember-wednesday-70878
    Yeah, that's because they recognize the current "Popes" as legitimate and therefore degrade traditional Catholicism to a cafeteria-Catholic traditionalist LARP based on the changes these Novus Ordo popes have made.
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #10 on: September 18, 2022, 08:54:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 18, 2022, 08:37:31 PM
    I agree that the old calendar (pre-1960) was better.

    Yes, it is better, but I don’t recognize it because it’s clear to me that after the death of Pope Pius XII, his “successors” are, at the very least, doubtful. 
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #11 on: September 18, 2022, 08:58:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 18, 2022, 08:43:39 PM
    Yeah, that's because they recognize the current "Popes" as legitimate and therefore degrade traditional Catholicism to a cafeteria-Catholic traditionalist LARP based on the changes these Novus Ordo popes have made.
    I just realized I might not have been clear with my intentions for posting what I did.  I did not mean to say I was supporting the SSPX in this...  Just clarifying that they don't really consider the Ember Days as binding at all much less just saying people are free from the binding of Ember Wednesday because of the Feast of Saint Matthew.

    I don't agree with them myself and do prefer the Old Calendar. :incense:
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #12 on: September 18, 2022, 09:12:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: de Lugo on September 18, 2022, 08:24:23 PM
    This is all I could find in English (but you will notice your 1962 liturgical calendar has no fish or partial fish symbol for Wednesday, as it does for Friday and Saturday, because this year it falls on the Feast of St. Matthew.)
    SSPX calendar has a fish on Wednesday.
    Resistance priest also agrees it is not binding under pain of sin (except Friday).
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #13 on: September 18, 2022, 09:14:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: AMDGJMJ on September 18, 2022, 08:58:36 PM
    I just realized I might not have been clear with my intentions for posting what I did.  I did not mean to say I was supporting the SSPX in this...  Just clarifying that they don't really consider the Ember Days as binding at all much less just saying people are free from the binding of Ember Wednesday because of the Feast of Saint Matthew.

    I don't agree with them myself and do prefer the Old Calendar. :incense:
    I didn't think you were
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    Re: EMBER DAYS THIS WEEK
    « Reply #14 on: September 18, 2022, 09:25:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on September 18, 2022, 09:14:54 PM
    I didn't think you were
    Okay!  I guess I just second guessed the way I wrote it.  😅
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