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Offline Simeon

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Eat Meat Today?
« on: October 31, 2023, 08:33:39 AM »
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  • Good Morning,

    I have an SGG calendar. There's no fishy on it for today. 

    So we can eat meat today, yah?

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2023, 08:45:43 AM »
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  • Same with CMRI calendar.  Yes, we can eat meat.


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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2023, 08:50:02 AM »
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  • No meat today, if you want to follow pre-V2 rules, where Halloween was a fast day.


    On All Hallows' Eve, Catholics were asked to follow the Church's tradition of observing a fast day before a major feast.

    For many children in the United States, Halloween is their favorite holiday of the year. This is primarily the case because of all the candy children get to feast on after going trick-or-treating.

    Interestingly, while this secular holiday has become associated with feasting on candy, it was originally a day of fasting in the Catholic Church.
    November 1 is All Saints Day in the Catholic Church, and is usually a holy day of obligation. (There is no obligation this year for Catholics in the US, as it falls on a Monday.) All Saints Day is a solemnity, one of the highest ranked feasts in the Church, a day marked with joy and celebration.
    For many centuries the Church was accustomed to observe the eve or vigil of a major feast day with a special fast. It followed the ancient saying that you should “fast before you feast.”

    The Catholic Encyclopedia explains a bit of the history behind this tradition.
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    In the first ages, during the night before every feast, a vigil was kept. In the evening the faithful assembled in the place or church where the feast was to be celebrated and prepared themselves by prayers, readings from Holy Writ (now the Offices of Vespers and Matins), and sometimes also by hearing a sermon … In place of nocturnal observances, the bishops introduced for the laity a fast on the day before the feast … The Synod of Seligenstadt (1022) mentions vigils on the eves of Christmas, Epiphany, the feast of the Apostles, the Assumption of Mary, St. Laurence, and All Saints.

    The day prior to All Saints (October 31) was observed as a day of fasting for many centuries, all the way through the first half of the 20th century, as is mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia of that era. “In the United States only four of theses vigils are fast days: the vigils of Christmas, Pentecost, the Assumption, and All Saints.”
    It may seem strange to modern ears that Halloween was a day of fasting, but Christians in previous centuries saw this day as a day to prepare their hearts for the celebration of All Saints.

    https://aleteia.org/2021/10/27/halloween-was-originally-a-day-of-fasting/

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #3 on: October 31, 2023, 09:16:09 AM »
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    November 1 is All Saints Day in the Catholic Church, and is usually a holy day of obligation. (There is no obligation this year for Catholics in the US, as it falls on a Monday.) All Saints Day is a solemnity, one of the highest ranked feasts in the Church, a day marked with joy and celebration.


    I'm not sure what kind of calendar the poster is looking at, but in this Anno Domini 2023 November 1st, the Solemnity of All Saints occurs on a Wednesday and is a Holy Day of Obligation.  All the parishes around me are having additional anticipated (Tuesday evening) and Wednesday evening Masses to accommodate those who work during the day.  My parish has added an additional Mass Thursday evening for All Souls Day for those who cannot attend the morning Mass.

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #4 on: October 31, 2023, 09:17:07 AM »
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  • In the pre-55 calendar, the Vigil of All Saints and is a day of fast and PARTIAL abstinence in the United States.  Meat may be taken at the main meal only.

    In the 55 reforms, Oct 31st is a ferial day and there is no vigil.  There is no fast and partial abstinence.

    This is why the CMRI does not list today as a vigil nor as a fast day.  


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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #5 on: October 31, 2023, 09:37:59 AM »
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  • In the pre-55 calendar, the Vigil of All Saints and is a day of fast and PARTIAL abstinence in the United States.  Meat may be taken at the main meal only.

    In the 55 reforms, Oct 31st is a ferial day and there is no vigil.  There is no fast and partial abstinence.

    This is why the CMRI does not list today as a vigil nor as a fast day. 
    I thought SGG was pre-55 (and they do not have partial abstinence).

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #6 on: October 31, 2023, 10:02:00 AM »
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  • The Catholic Origins of Halloween.  Quite interesting.

    https://aleteia.org/2016/10/25/the-surprisingly-catholic-origins-of-halloween/

    I think I’ll do the fast and partial abstinence.  It’s a perfect preparation for All Saints and All Soul’s Day.
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #7 on: October 31, 2023, 11:08:22 AM »
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  • I thought SGG was pre-55 (and they do not have partial abstinence).
    They are, but perhaps this is a mistake.  If you check the pre-55 rules, it is clear in the US that it is a day of fast a partial abstinence.

    Fr. Skierka's (SSPV) calendar clearly indicates it.


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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #8 on: October 31, 2023, 02:25:15 PM »
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  • No meat today, if you want to follow pre-V2 rules, where Halloween was a fast day.


    On All Hallows' Eve, Catholics were asked to follow the Church's tradition of observing a fast day before a major feast.

    For many children in the United States, Halloween is their favorite holiday of the year. This is primarily the case because of all the candy children get to feast on after going trick-or-treating.

    Interestingly, while this secular holiday has become associated with feasting on candy, it was originally a day of fasting in the Catholic Church.
    November 1 is All Saints Day in the Catholic Church, and is usually a holy day of obligation. (There is no obligation this year for Catholics in the US, as it falls on a Monday.) All Saints Day is a solemnity, one of the highest ranked feasts in the Church, a day marked with joy and celebration.
    For many centuries the Church was accustomed to observe the eve or vigil of a major feast day with a special fast. It followed the ancient saying that you should “fast before you feast.”

    The Catholic Encyclopedia explains a bit of the history behind this tradition.
    The day prior to All Saints (October 31) was observed as a day of fasting for many centuries, all the way through the first half of the 20th century, as is mentioned in the Catholic Encyclopedia of that era. “In the United States only four of theses vigils are fast days: the vigils of Christmas, Pentecost, the Assumption, and All Saints.”
    It may seem strange to modern ears that Halloween was a day of fasting, but Christians in previous centuries saw this day as a day to prepare their hearts for the celebration of All Saints.

    https://aleteia.org/2021/10/27/halloween-was-originally-a-day-of-fasting/

    Very good info. It was the thought in my breast, but my "pre-VII" calendar had no fishy on it. 2V says the same for her CMRI calendar. 

    I've eaten my one meal of the day, which was meatless, except for some pork flavoring in the pasta sauce.
    From now on, no meat on vigils, fishies or no fishies! :cowboy:

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2023, 02:27:30 PM »
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  • In the pre-55 calendar, the Vigil of All Saints and is a day of fast and PARTIAL abstinence in the United States.  Meat may be taken at the main meal only.

    In the 55 reforms, Oct 31st is a ferial day and there is no vigil.  There is no fast and partial abstinence.

    This is why the CMRI does not list today as a vigil nor as a fast day. 

    I thank you and everyone who has responded here. I wonder why SGG did not follow it's liturgical praxis. 

    Much obliged to all for their answers!

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #10 on: October 31, 2023, 02:29:07 PM »
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  • The Catholic Origins of Halloween.  Quite interesting.

    https://aleteia.org/2016/10/25/the-surprisingly-catholic-origins-of-halloween/

    I think I’ll do the fast and partial abstinence.  It’s a perfect preparation for All Saints and All Soul’s Day.

    Absolutely, and my "pork flecks" will not violate partial abstinence!


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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #11 on: October 31, 2023, 02:30:15 PM »
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  • They are, but perhaps this is a mistake.  If you check the pre-55 rules, it is clear in the US that it is a day of fast a partial abstinence.

    Fr. Skierka's (SSPV) calendar clearly indicates it.
    Great! I ordered an SSPV calendar for this year. 

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #12 on: October 31, 2023, 04:20:12 PM »
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  • The Canadian SSPX calendar is marked "Vigil of All Saints" and has half a fishy.

    Just checked my 1945 calendar and there is a whole fish on Oct 31, actually there is only one half fishy in the whole year and that is on Holy Saturday.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #13 on: October 31, 2023, 04:28:09 PM »
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  • The Canadian SSPX calendar is marked "Vigil of All Saints" and has half a fishy.

    My, My!!! Good on them!!! And they always have great artwork to boot!

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    Re: Eat Meat Today?
    « Reply #14 on: October 31, 2023, 05:34:48 PM »
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  • Absolutely, and my "pork flecks" will not violate partial abstinence!
    It’s certainly more penitential to do a full abstinence, whether it be a vigil or an ember day.  I shall remember that in the future.  Thanks!
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42