Author Topic: Dropped hosts increasing? (Read 684 times)

SeanJohnson · « **on:** March 21, 2021, 11:49:01 AM »

I don’t know what the deal is, but I never saw a dropped host at an SSPX Mass in 20 years.

Now all of a sudden, I have seen either a priest drop a host/piece of host, or, a “fumbled” Communion at the rail (can’t tell if the priest was hasty, or the parishioner didn’t open mouth and extend tongue sufficiently, etc; guessing the latter, as my own son was guilty of this latter infraction, which almost resulted in a drop) 5-7 times in the last 12-15 months by different priests.

Another time another priest forgot to purify the paten.

What’s going on here?

It’s so frequent now, it almost loses the shock value.

Anyone else noticing an increase of this?

Ps: I intended to post this in the αnσnymσus forum, but accidentally posted it here. It is not intended to attack the priests (the info above involved 4 different priests); just noting a very strange increase compared to previous years.

Yeti · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2021, 03:23:39 PM »

I mean, it can happen accidentally. Probably some priests are more liable to this than others, and have greater dexterity than others. Do you have a new priest at your church?

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2021, 03:56:01 PM »

Quote from: Yeti on March 21, 2021, 03:23:39 PM

I mean, it can happen accidentally. Probably some priests are more liable to this than others, and have greater dexterity than others. Do you have a new priest at your church?

Yes, and he actually had to address the problem of faithful apparently not knowing how to receive Communion (e.g., open your mouth widely, and stick out your tongue, etc.). I can see this in the case of my 8 year-old, but how the hell do long-time trads need to be instructed to stick out their tongues and open their mouths? Its a shame. You would think people would know at least that much.

That's the part that's on the faithful.

But I'm even seeing the priests forgetting to purify the paten (not the regular pastor, by the way), or dropping Communion away from the rail.

Of course accidents happen, and I get that. And I'm not blaming anyone, much less attacking them for accidents. Its just weird that so many priests/faithful have had this problem in so short a time span, when prior to this, I had never seen it at all. Maybe its just the law of averages catching up with me after decades of Masses, but man, at least for the faithful, how hard is it to open your mouth and stick out your tongue???

Incredulous · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2021, 04:07:11 PM »

It may not be intentional, but it goes hand-in-hand with the SSPX "speed Masses".

The neo-SSPX's hastily celebrated Mass is a nationwide trend, they embraced post 2012.

They are knocking-off Masses in 30 minutes and under. Their Latin is high speed, without intonation or pauses.
It is as if they want to see how fast they can finish the Mass?
Dropping the Holy Eucharist fits in with this hasty mode of liturgy.

It is primarily the younger priests who have been trained to do it, but also the older ones. Fr. Asher the late vocation priest is a classic example.

At the last SSPX Mass I assisted at in Nov 2020, they did the speed Mass.

Afterwards, a gentleman, I would describe as a relaxed, ecuмenical trad approached me in the vestibule to complain about the speed of the priest's elevation of the Holy Eucharist. He irreverently did the elevation so fast, that he wanted to write a letter of complaint to their District Superior.
My immєdιαte thoughts were that if this guy is complaining, it must be pretty bad?

But the real question is, why are they doing it? Why do they not revere the Mass and pray it slowly with great concentration and devotion?
The neo-SSPX speed Mass very much borders on the sacrilegious.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2021, 04:47:33 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous on March 21, 2021, 04:07:11 PM

It may not be intentional, but it goes hand-in-hand with the SSPX "speed Masses".

The neo-SSPX's hastily celebrated Mass is a nationwide trend, they embraced post 2012.

They are knocking-off Masses in 30 minutes and under. Their Latin is high speed, without intonation or pauses.
It is as if they want to see how fast they can finish the Mass?
Dropping the Holy Eucharist fits in with this hasty mode of liturgy.

It is primarily the younger priests who have been trained to do it, but also the older ones. Fr. Asher the late vocation priest is a classic example.

At the last SSPX Mass I assisted at in Nov 2020, they did the speed Mass.

Afterwards, a gentleman, I would describe as a relaxed, ecuмenical trad approached me in the vestibule to complain about the speed of the priest's elevation of the Holy Eucharist. He irreverently did the elevation so fast, that he wanted to write a letter of complaint to their District Superior.
My immєdιαte thoughts were that if this guy is complaining, it must be pretty bad?

But the real question is, why are they doing it? Why do they not revere the Mass and pray it slowly with great concentration and devotion?
The neo-SSPX speed Mass very much borders on the sacrilegious.

Well, we haven’t had any “speed Masses” here.

Actually, the only ones I ever attended matching that description were from Fr. Pfeiffer in 2012/2013:

25 minute Mass; 45 minute sermon (followed by 2 hour conferences).

It was like a Bishop Fellay confirmation Mass:

Hour long sermons, and women needing smelling salts.

Kazimierz · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2021, 05:06:12 PM »

My thanks for such information. One priest recently transferred here was a speed demon. Younger priest as well. For other reasons too he is not missed.

Incredulous · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2021, 05:13:41 PM »

Quote from: SeanJohnson on March 21, 2021, 04:47:33 PM

Well, we haven’t had any “speed Masses” here.

Actually, the only ones I ever attended matching that description were from Fr. Pfeiffer in 2012/2013:

25 minute Mass; 45 minute sermon (followed by 2 hour conferences).

It was like a Bishop Fellay confirmation Mass:

Hour long sermons, and women needing smelling salts.

A 25 minute Sunday liturgy is pretty darn fast.

Can you keep-up with the priest in your Missal?

If so, let me guess, you're using the Evelyn Wood speeding reading technique?

Meg · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2021, 06:25:28 PM »

I've never seen the host dropped at an SSPX chapel, but I've seen it dropped twice at the local FSSP parish, the last one being two weeks ago at the FSSP parish. I usually attend the SSPX now, but I was hoping that the FFSP might have some Epiphany water left (they didn't). I saw an odd thing, though, after the host was dropped and immєdιαtely picked up. This is what happened. Probably some here won't believe it though.

Just as I was waiting at the head of the line for communion on the left side of the sanctuary, the priest attempted to give communion to the person kneeling at the altar rail just in front of me, when he dropped the host. The priest motioned the communicant (a man) to move aside while the priest picked up the host from the floor. I think he picked it up with a napkin, but I couldn't see it exactly, and then the priest left another napkin on the floor where the host had been. I kneeled for communion just to the left of it and glanced at the napkin on the floor to my right and then saw an odd sight. On the the corner of the napkin, on the left side, was a bright red color, a spot about the size of a dime, or a little bigger, though it was more like a half-circle. I thought that was a bit odd. Maybe the color (which looked like blood) was already there for some reason? I don't think I imagined it. There's probably a reasonable explanation for it.

Anyway, the reason for the increased dropping of hosts could be due to the priest being worried about touching the communicant's tongue, due to CÖVÌD safety protocols, or something like that.

Incredulous · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2021, 07:03:22 PM »

Almost sounds like you saw a Eucharistic miracle?

Marking the spot where the host fell is a standard practice altar servers are trained to do.

Hopefully all priests have the concentration and hand dexterity to place the Holy Eucharist on the communicant's tongue without touching it.

Here's a tutorial for the faithful to help the priest be touch-less:

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2021, 02:01:09 AM »

I was taught that a Low Mass without a sermon should be 30 minutes "amice to amice" which is the first vestment he puts on, and the last one he takes off.

However, if you have a large congregation (i.e., more than a handful of people) Communion is going to add several minutes, and that would have to be factored in. Also, certain Masses with very long Gospels, graduals, sequences, etc. and that might add a few minutes here or there. The Credo would add a couple minutes, if it's a Sunday or major feast day.

And I wonder if that old guideline factors in the "Prayers after Low Mass" which add *several* minutes while the Priest is still vested.

Maybe that "30 minutes" was a standard *before* the Leonine Prayers were instituted -- but some modern-day Trad priests are attempting to stick to the 30 minutes total, despite having 4 more minutes of prayer to do?

Just a few thoughts.

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