Author Topic: Does anyone know why the Hail Mary is like this in Spanish? (Read 3089 times)

poche · « **Reply #10 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:07:21 AM »

Quote from: Disputaciones

In Spanish the Hail Mary starts: "Dios te salve María...".

The word God is in the beginning even though in Latin it isn't, or in English.

A literal translation in English would be: "God hail you Mary...".

It seems it has been like that even before V2, but I find it very strange.

A alternative translation could be "Ave Maria." no?

poche · « **Reply #11 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:09:59 AM »

Quote from: poche

Quote from: Disputaciones
In Spanish the Hail Mary starts: "Dios te salve María...".

The word God is in the beginning even though in Latin it isn't, or in English.

A literal translation in English would be: "God hail you Mary...".

It seems it has been like that even before V2, but I find it very strange.

A alternative translation could be "Ave Maria." no?

I had an old Italian language missal that said, "Dio ti salvi Maria." but when I lived in Italy everybody said, "Ave Maria.."

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:17:11 AM »

Quote from: confederate catholic

in Aramaic/Syriac there are variations Chaldeans say:
Shlom lekh bthoolto Mariam - hail o Virgin Mary
others
šlom-lék Mar-yam - Hail Mary
again Chaldeans:
Mariam yoldath aloho
Mary (Birth giver of) Bearer of God
others
Mar-yam é-méh da-lo-ho
Mary Mother of God

caught this on an orthodox website:
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Topic: Oh.. Morth Mariam Yoldath Aloho (Mother Of God) Pray For Us (Read 1095 times)
Shlom lekh bthoolto Mariam,
Maliath taibootho,
moran a'amekh,
mbarakhto at bneshey,
wambarakhoo feero dabkharsekh yeshue,
O qadeeshto Mariam,
yoldath aloho,
saloy hlofain hatoyeh,
hosho wabsho'ath mawtan.
Amin

and some people complain about a 15 min rosary

(thats a Chaldean Hail Mary, btw)

I think this is why St Jerome translated the angels greeting as,"Ave Maria." instead of gaudete or lastate that is favored by some non semitic eastern writers.

poche · « **Reply #13 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:21:45 AM »

again Chaldeans:
Mariam yoldath aloho
Mary (Birth giver of) Bearer of God
others
Mar-yam é-méh da-lo-ho
Mary Mother of God

This appears to correspond to the Slavonic "Bohoroditse."

Mercyandjustice · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2015, 05:11:30 PM »

Quote from: Matto

et in saecula saeculorum, according to my internet search, literally means "for ages of ages", sometimes translated as "for ever and ever", not "world without end." I always thought it weas strange though I still pray it, but what do I know.

That's wht I pray it like : "....as it was in the beginning is now and always, forever and ever."
That's how it ends in the Spanish version of the prayer