I've read that an NO priest said that the Hell is just a state, not a place. I think that this is heretical, as Hell itself a place, but I think that somehow separated from our world, not as some place on Earth. Does the NO think like as I've said? (I've read that JPII went to Hell because he didn't preach the existence of Hell plus lain with women in a Protestant revelation. Asides from that, it is very probable, since he did liturgical abuses, like, kissing the Quran) I've read in my old RE book that the Kingdom of God is not a territory, but a spirituality. It refers to a biblical phrase.

Hell and heaven are both places.

Where is hell? Some were of opinion that hell is everywhere, that the damned are at liberty to roam about in the entire universe, but that they carry their punishment with them. The adherents of this doctrine were called Ubiquists, or Ubiquitarians; among them were, e.g., Johann Brenz, a Swabian, a Protestant theologian of the sixteenth century. However, that opinion is universally and deservedly rejected; for it is more in keeping with their state of punishment that the damned be limited in their movements and confined to a definite place. Moreover, if hell is a real fire, it cannot be everywhere, especially after the consummation of the world, when heaven and earth shall have been made anew. As to its locality all kinds of conjectures have been made; it has been suggested that hell is situated on some far island of the sea, or at the two poles of the earth; Swinden, an Englishman of the eighteenth century, fancied it was in the sun; some assigned it to the moon, others to Mars; others placed it beyond the confines of the universe [Wiest, "Instit. theol.", VI (1789), 869]. The Bible seems to indicate that hell is within the earth, for it describes hell as an abyss to which the wicked descend. We even read of the earth opening and of the wicked sinking down into hell (Numbers 16:31 sqq.; Psalm 54:16; Isaiah 5:14; Ezekiel 26:20; Philippians 2:10, etc.). Is this merely a metaphor to illustrate the state of separation from God? Although God is omnipresent, He is said to dwell in heaven, because the light and grandeur of the stars and the firmament are the brightest manifestations of His infinite splendour. But the damned are utterly estranged from God; hence their abode is said to be as remote as possible from his dwelling, far from heaven above and its light, and consequently hidden away in the dark abysses of the earth. However, no cogent reason has been advanced for accepting a metaphorical interpretation in preference to the most natural meaning of the words of Scripture. Hence theologians generally accept the opinion that hell is really within the earth. The Church has decided nothing on this subject; hence we may say hell is a definite place; but where it is, we do not know. St. Chrysostom reminds us: "We must not ask where hell is, but how we are to escape it" (In Rom., hom. xxxi, n. 5, in P.G., LX, 674). St. Augustine says: "It is my opinion that the nature of hell-fire and the location of hell are known to no man unless the Holy Ghost made it known to him by a special revelation", (City of God XX.16). Elsewhere he expresses the opinion that hell is under the earth (Retract., II, xxiv, n. 2 in P.L., XXXII, 640). St. Gregory the Great wrote: "I do not dare to decide this question. Some thought hell is somewhere on earth; others believe it is under the earth" (Dial., IV, xlii, in P.L., LXXVII, 400; cf. Patuzzi, "De sede inferni", 1763; Gretser, "De subterraneis animarum receptaculis", 1595).

I've read that an NO priest said that the Hell is just a state, not a place. I think that this is heretical, as Hell itself a place, but I think that somehow separated from our world, not as some place on Earth. Does the NO think like as I've said? (I've read that JPII went to Hell because he didn't preach the existence of Hell plus lain with women in a Protestant revelation. Asides from that, it is very probable, since he did liturgical abuses, like, kissing the Quran) I've read in my old RE book that the Kingdom of God is not a territory, but a spirituality. It refers to a biblical phrase.

One of the earmarks of the popes after Vatican II is, you can't be giving
what they had to say much attention.  It will likely get you to the point of
being as confused as they were.   :confused1:

They have uttered and promoted material heresy to be sure but it is not our
place to judge whether they knew what they were talking about.  But if we
suspect they were simply under a fog of profound confusion, then it makes
a lot more sense they could have said those things.  Insanity is not a blessing.
It is a curse.  It comes with a kind of leniency in how one will be judged, but
it also inhibits one's right reason so that one may not be capable of having
true and intelligent thinking going on.  And that may inhibit your holiness.  But
not necessarily.  

I like Padre Pio's answer.  

Someone complained to him that their friend doesn't believe in hell, that he
doesn't think hell is real.  Padre Pio said, Well, that's okay, he can think
what he likes for now, but there's no question that all of his doubts about
whether hell is real or not will completely disappear just as soon as he
gets there.


-- Because his words apply to everyone, even to the popes.