I personally think it is very soon. Things are getting so wrong in this wicked world.In my own opinion, I would think God would give a pretty darn good hint of needing to repent hardcore before He returns. My 2 cents.
But no one knows, except God of course.
And you?
No.I'm agree with you that we should never predict any date or year. The purpose of this topic is only to have a general idea of what people thinks. As I said, God only knows.
People have been thinking the end of the world was imminent for most of Christian history. The vast majority of those people have been and will be wrong.
The odds are greatly against it that we are 50 years out or less.
I believe some pope decreed an automatic excommunication for anyone who posited a specific date for the end of the world. I'm not saying you're doing that, but there's a reason for such a law. Our Lord even said, "The Son of Man knoweth not the day nor the hour," or something similar.
I personally think it is very soon. Things are getting so wrong in this wicked world.
No.
People have been thinking the end of the world was imminent for most of Christian history. The vast majority of those people have been and will be wrong.
The odds are greatly against it that we are 50 years out or less.
I believe some pope decreed an automatic excommunication for anyone who posited a specific date for the end of the world. I'm not saying you're doing that, but there's a reason for such a law. Our Lord even said, "The Son of Man knoweth not the day nor the hour," or something similar.
1 And we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and of our gathering together unto him: 2 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=2-#x)That you be not easily moved from your sense, nor be terrified, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by epistle, as sent from us, as if the day of the Lord were at hand. 3 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=3-#x)Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition, 4 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=4-#x)Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God. 5 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=5-#x)Remember you not, that when I was yet with you, I told you these things?6 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=6-#x)And now you know what withholdeth, that he may be revealed in his time. 7 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=7-#x)For the mystery of iniquity already worketh; only that he who now holdeth, do hold, until he be taken out of the way. 8 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=8-#x)And then that wicked one shall be revealed whom the Lord Jesus shall kill with the spirit of his mouth; and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming, him, 9 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=9-#x)Whose coming is according to the working of Satan, in all power, and signs, and lying wonders, 10 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=10-#x)And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying:11 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=11-#x)That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity. 12 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=12-#x)But we ought to give thanks to God always for you, brethren, beloved of God, for that God hath chosen you firstfruits unto salvation, in sanctification of the spirit, and faith of the truth: 13 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=13-#x)Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=14-#x)Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. 15 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=15-#x)Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God and our Father, who hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation, and good hope in grace,16 (https://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=60&ch=2&l=16-#x)Exhort your hearts, and confirm you in every good work and word.
No.This. Totally this.
People have been thinking the end of the world was imminent for most of Christian history. The vast majority of those people have been and will be wrong.
The odds are greatly against it that we are 50 years out or less.
I believe some pope decreed an automatic excommunication for anyone who posited a specific date for the end of the world. I'm not saying you're doing that, but there's a reason for such a law. Our Lord even said, "The Son of Man knoweth not the day nor the hour," or something similar.
In my own opinion, I would think God would give a pretty darn good hint of needing to repent hardcore before He returns. My 2 cents.The whore of Babylon is literally on earth right now.
I see ourselves in Latter times. IMO Satan is almost at the end of his 100 years.I feel the same way, yet many have thought the same things for centuries. That's kind of hard to believe, but it's true. For all we know, we might go another 5000 or more years before Christ comes again.
The whore of Babylon is literally on earth right now.Who is she? I say she because men are not usually called whores.
Who is she? I say she because men are not usually called whores.
According to the Epistle of Barnabus (which was highly regarded by early Church fathers), the end will come around 6,000 years after Christ so we are only about 33% of the way to the end.:'(
How do you think one should prepare? Is there really anything different we should be doing, then what we are most likely already doing?
Yeti, if you are correct, why did St. Paul waste the ink to write the words of 2 Thessalonians 2?
While we cannot know exact date of the Second Coming, we are told in many places in Sacred Scripture that we are to watch for certain "signs of the times."
In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul says that when the "man of sin," the Antichrist, sits in the Temple of God [as the illegitimate head of the Roman Catholic Church], that the Antichrist will be destroyed by "the brightness of His coming." So, the Second Coming occurs in the midst of the reign of the Antichrist.
In Matthew 24, Jesus himself says that when we see the "abomination of desolation in the holy place" that His coming is imminent.
The "signs" are all around us. The Second Coming is imminent. Prepare. Do not be caught off guard.
How do you think one should prepare? Is there really anything different we should be doing, then what we are most likely already doing?I think there's absolutely no difference because we always need to seek sanctity, we need to be ready to die any day, so the only thing that matters is to become saints, whatever happens.
I think there's absolutely no difference because we always need to seek sanctity, we need to be ready to die any day, so the only thing that matters is to become saints, whatever happens.I agree, but why do some people seem to get so worried and stressed about it? Isn't that just a lack of Trust in God?
According to the Epistle of Barnabus (which was highly regarded by early Church fathers), the end will come around 6,000 years after Christ so we are only about 33% of the way to the end.
Barnabas 15:3
Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And
God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the
seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it.
Barnabas 15:4
Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He
meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all
things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years;
and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of
the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six
days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end.
Barnabas 15:5
And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son
shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall
judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the
stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
How do you think one should prepare? Is there really anything different we should be doing, then what we are most likely already doing?
How do you think one should prepare? Is there really anything different we should be doing, then what we are most likely already doing?.
No.
People have been thinking the end of the world was imminent for most of Christian history.
The whore of Babylon is literally on earth right now.
Who is she? I say she because men are not usually called whores.
I feel the same way, yet many have thought the same things for centuries.
According to the Epistle of Barnabus (which was highly regarded by early Church fathers), the end will come around 6,000 years after Christ so we are only about 33% of the way to the end.
How do you think one should prepare? Is there really anything different we should be doing, then what we are most likely already doing?
Incorrect. Epistle of Barnabas says 6000 year from the Creation of the World:
https://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/barnabas-lightfoot.html
The Hebrew Calendar says it is year 5785 since Creation. And I'm sure everyone trusts the Jews, right?
We are right around 2000 years since Calvary.
Well Ladislaus the Church was equally in a very bad state during the Arian heresy “as the Church woke up to find itself Arian”. Yes the current state is somewhat worse in that the rot has infiltrated right to the top.
Those who don't realize what objectively extraordinary times we live in have been frog-boiled into somehow accepting this situation as a "New Normal", and part of it that does come from the fruits of R&R, and the SSPX are most advanced in this thinking. There is nothing close to not being earth-shattering about the state of the Church. Period. If you think that "this too shall pass" or "no big deal" ... then you're already in the process of losing your faith.Although I was only a child when the changes began, it only took a year or two for many of the pioneering trads to firmly believe that the end was at hand because of what was happening to the Church, which ended up being the cause of the total loss of faith for many of them - imo because the whole idea made them lose all hope. There's no reason to be overly concerned about something we can never know either in this world or in the next - even Our Blessed Mother doesn't know when.
Although I was only a child when the changes began, it only took a year or two for many of the pioneering trads to firmly believe that the end was at hand because of what was happening to the Church, which ended up being the cause of the total loss of faith for many of them - imo because the whole idea made them lose all hope. There's no reason to be overly concerned about something we can never know either in this world or in the next - even Our Blessed Mother doesn't know when.When the antichrist takes power, he will kill most all practicing Catholics. That would pretty much wipe the faith off the earth.
"...But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?" Luke 18:8
Our Lord implied that when He returns, the faith will be either almost or completely gone from the whole earth. IF that is the case, then we should still have 2 or 3 more generations to go, likely many, many more.
When the antichrist takes power, he will kill most all practicing Catholics. That would pretty much wipe the faith off the earth.Where do you get this idea? I always thought the loss of Faith was because people didn't Trust God anymore. I didn't think the loss of Faith was forced upon mankind because God allowed man to destroy themselves.
Where do you get this idea? I always thought the loss of Faith was because people didn't Trust God anymore. I didn't think the loss of Faith was forced upon mankind because God allowed man to destroy themselves.The great Apostasy greatly reduces the Catholic faith on the earth. Prophecy tells us that the antichrist will kill all those who will not worship him. These two events will wipe out the faith. Our Lord also stated that He will shorten the time because if He doesn't step in "there will be no flesh left."
When the antichrist takes power, he will kill most all practicing Catholics. That would pretty much wipe the faith off the earth.
The "killing" and "death" spoken of in those prophecies about the Antichrist is not physical killing and physical death. It is talking about him causing spiritual death through his deception, leading people to believe it is okay to commit mortal sin. And the people who go along with the deception will be in a state of mortal sin. They will be cut off from God, from Life. They will be dead spiritually.What makes you believe that Bergoglio is the man of sin? I don't say you're wrong, I'm just wondering what makes you believe this.
This is the effect of "operation of error" discussed in 2 Thessalonians 2. It is working at this very moment. It will reach its apex very soon. Bergoglio is the "man of sin." Watch and pray.
What makes you believe that Bergoglio is the man of sin? I don't say you're wrong, I'm just wondering what makes you believe this.
Because he fits the description that St. Paul gives in 2 Thessalonians 2. He is a pretender to the throne of Peter, a heretical antipope. He is attempting to convince Catholics that if one subjectively believes himself to be free from serious sin, then he is actually free from sin and may receive the Eucharist. He acts as if he is God by "correcting" the teachings of Jesus on adultery, for example.That interesting! We'll see in the future if you are right. I guess you answered yes to this poll!
But he has not been "revealed" yet to "the world." This will come soon. This obscurity is part of his deception.
Then there are many private revelations that describe him. He is the "destroyer" antipope of St. Francis of Assisi.
In St. Malachy's prophecy of the popes, he comes directly after "the glory of the olive," who is described as the last pope before the tribulation of the Church.
His revelation comes in the final 7 years of the 70 years discussed in Daniel, chapter 9. I believe the 70 years started in 1959. It is a long explanation that I have discussed elsewhere on Cathinfo. And my interpretation matches up with the fact that the Third Secret of Fatima was supposed to be released BEFORE 1960, and because it was not, we are living the consequences: the apostasy that was planted as a bad seed in the 1960s, cultivated and watered by freemasons and communists infiltrators in the Vatican, and perfected in Bergoglio who is himself a communist.
He is a match, in my opinion, for what St. Hildegard von Bingen describes (figuratively) in the following text:
Description of the Antichrist in St. Hildegard von Bingen (1173 AD)
The Antichrist will indeed be infused by the devil when he opens his mouth to teach perversity, as described above. He will destroy all that God established with the ancient and the new law, and he will assert that sɛҳuąƖ immorality and other like things are not sins at all. For he will claim that it is not a sin if flesh heats up flesh, just as it is not a sin if a person warms himself by the fire. He will also assert that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance, for since one person may be hot but another cold, they ought to moderate one another with their heat and cold.
And again he will say to the faithful,
“Your law of sɛҳuąƖ restraint was established contrary to the way of nature. Is a person not supposed to be hot, when his very breath is a fire that kindles his whole body? How could he keep his cool when it’s against his nature? Conversely, what reason could a person have to refuse to offer warmth to another’s flesh? For that man who you say is your master gave you a law that goes beyond measure when he bid you to live in such a way. But I say, embrace these two paths of hot and cold, and keep each other in your warm embrace! Consider that the man just mentioned gave you unjust commands, for despite his order that people not embrace one another with such warmth, they still maintained the nature of their flesh. So see here and do not be misled any longer by an unjust teaching, for with me you get to do whatever you want or not. Your master did not set before you correct propositions; he wanted you to be like a spirit that is unbound by the flesh and cannot physically do anything. But that’s not how naturally-born human flesh was created; rather it’s flooded and formed by fire, because if human children weren’t created in that way, they wouldn’t be capable of physical action. So know then what you really are! For your first teacher deceived you and didn’t help you in anything. But I inspire you really to learn about yourselves and to know what you are, for I created you, and I am completely in all things. In assigning all his works to another, meanwhile, that one spoke nothing on his own because he couldn’t do anything on his own. But I speak for myself, and I can do all things by myself.”
With these words and others like them, that wretched son of perdition will mislead people, teaching them to live according to the flesh’s fiery appetite and to achieve their flesh’s every want--despite the fact that both the old and the new law encourage humans to chastity in such a way that chastity does not surpass its proper measure.
The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 466-467, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 30 (in part).
Because he fits the description that St. Paul gives in 2 Thessalonians 2. He is a pretender to the throne of Peter, a heretical antipope. He is attempting to convince Catholics that if one subjectively believes himself to be free from serious sin, then he is actually free from sin and may receive the Eucharist. He acts as if he is God by "correcting" the teachings of Jesus on adultery, for example.berg is the sixth antipope
But he has not been "revealed" yet to "the world." This will come soon. This obscurity is part of his deception.
Then there are many private revelations that describe him. He is the "destroyer" antipope of St. Francis of Assisi.
In St. Malachy's prophecy of the popes, he comes directly after "the glory of the olive," who is described as the last pope before the tribulation of the Church.
His revelation comes in the final 7 years of the 70 years discussed in Daniel, chapter 9. I believe the 70 years started in 1959. It is a long explanation that I have discussed elsewhere on Cathinfo. And my interpretation matches up with the fact that the Third Secret of Fatima was supposed to be released BEFORE 1960, and because it was not, we are living the consequences: the apostasy that was planted as a bad seed in the 1960s, cultivated and watered by freemasons and communists infiltrators in the Vatican, and perfected in Bergoglio who is himself a communist.
He is a match, in my opinion, for what St. Hildegard von Bingen describes (figuratively) in the following text:
Description of the Antichrist in St. Hildegard von Bingen (1173 AD)
The Antichrist will indeed be infused by the devil when he opens his mouth to teach perversity, as described above. He will destroy all that God established with the ancient and the new law, and he will assert that sɛҳuąƖ immorality and other like things are not sins at all. For he will claim that it is not a sin if flesh heats up flesh, just as it is not a sin if a person warms himself by the fire. He will also assert that all commandments concerning chastity were made in ignorance, for since one person may be hot but another cold, they ought to moderate one another with their heat and cold.
And again he will say to the faithful,
“Your law of sɛҳuąƖ restraint was established contrary to the way of nature. Is a person not supposed to be hot, when his very breath is a fire that kindles his whole body? How could he keep his cool when it’s against his nature? Conversely, what reason could a person have to refuse to offer warmth to another’s flesh? For that man who you say is your master gave you a law that goes beyond measure when he bid you to live in such a way. But I say, embrace these two paths of hot and cold, and keep each other in your warm embrace! Consider that the man just mentioned gave you unjust commands, for despite his order that people not embrace one another with such warmth, they still maintained the nature of their flesh. So see here and do not be misled any longer by an unjust teaching, for with me you get to do whatever you want or not. Your master did not set before you correct propositions; he wanted you to be like a spirit that is unbound by the flesh and cannot physically do anything. But that’s not how naturally-born human flesh was created; rather it’s flooded and formed by fire, because if human children weren’t created in that way, they wouldn’t be capable of physical action. So know then what you really are! For your first teacher deceived you and didn’t help you in anything. But I inspire you really to learn about yourselves and to know what you are, for I created you, and I am completely in all things. In assigning all his works to another, meanwhile, that one spoke nothing on his own because he couldn’t do anything on his own. But I speak for myself, and I can do all things by myself.”
With these words and others like them, that wretched son of perdition will mislead people, teaching them to live according to the flesh’s fiery appetite and to achieve their flesh’s every want--despite the fact that both the old and the new law encourage humans to chastity in such a way that chastity does not surpass its proper measure.
The Fathers of the Church, Mediaeval Continuation, Volume 18. St. Hildegard Von Bingen, The Book of Divine Works. Pages 466-467, Part III, Vision 5, Chapter 30 (in part).