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Offline Pelly

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Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
« on: May 22, 2015, 10:54:36 AM »
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  • I want to attend a Byzantine-rite church since the Roman Rite is governed by rules hard on gluten-free people.
    But I have to ask a question: do I commit mortal sin if I refuse to go to Roman-rite churches just because the Byzantines provide more opportunity for accommodation?
    Asides from not being able to obtain a Papal indult for rite switching, all Byzantine churches where I live are in the hands of the NO.

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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #1 on: May 22, 2015, 11:29:13 AM »
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  • Pelly - how do the two rites differ concerning the gluten issue?  And, do you have celiac disease?  Or, do you just have a sensitivity?
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #2 on: May 22, 2015, 11:46:50 AM »
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  • Pelly, many priests will accommodate a person who has developed a reaction to gluten.  I've spoken to 3 different trad priests about it, and they provide a very small piece of the Host to the person at the Communion rail, and none have had adverse reaction.   Note: this pertains to gluten reaction, not celiac disease.  

    Ask your priest about this accommodation.  Try it at least once.  Since you don't have celiac disease, I doubt you will have a problem.  You may be overthinking this issue - it's easy to resolve.

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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #3 on: May 22, 2015, 11:47:00 AM »
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  • There is no prohibition, as far as I am aware, of a Latin-rite Catholic attending an Eastern-rite liturgy, even on a regular basis.  Just make sure it is an actual Eastern-rite Catholic parish, and not an Eastern Orthodox one.

    You would still remain a Latin-rite Catholic, however, and be bound by the Western canon law.

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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #4 on: May 22, 2015, 02:23:37 PM »
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  • Does this mean that "those cruel rules" apply to me even if I attend a Byzantine church?
    I don't have a formal dx yet, but this might be helpful for you: http://www.gfcfdiet.com/
    Also, I think that some form of the separate Chalice option can be made available in Byzantine chapels.


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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #5 on: May 22, 2015, 02:57:50 PM »
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  • The prosphora used in Eastern liturgies is that of gluten containing wheat flour.  I can't imagine that they would be baking a separate batch for gluten sensitives.  I don't mean to be unkind but I have never seen this done in all the Eastern liturgies I have ever attended.  It would be highly unusual.  

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    « Reply #6 on: May 22, 2015, 02:59:04 PM »
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  • @saintalice I meant a separate Chalice, without the Lamb.

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    « Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 03:30:34 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    @saintalice I meant a separate Chalice, without the Lamb.


    I have never seen that.  If Byzantine liturgies are doing this then they may as well just be Latin Rite.  That would be completely ridiculous (to separate the bread and wine).  It wouldn't be Byzantine.  Again, I don't mean to be harsh with you but I find that (separate chalices) stretching "economia" to the extreme.  


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    « Reply #8 on: May 22, 2015, 03:44:04 PM »
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  • If your motive is to attend Byzantine Liturgy for reception of Holy Communion, again, I'll encourage you to speak with your Latin rite priest about providing a very small amount of Host to you.  You don't have celiac disease, so you shouldn't have any problem. This negligible amount of gluten is successful for those who are sensitive.  

    Try it at least once.  At least talk to your priest first.  I think you're making this too complicated.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 22, 2015, 04:10:29 PM »
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  • @PerEvangelicaDicta The method you recommend requires me to take antacids, break the Eucharistic fast or drain my stomach content (smaller Particle dissolves earlier).
    I'm asking this because in the Roman Rite, Can. 852 would stand in my way.

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    « Reply #10 on: May 22, 2015, 04:58:28 PM »
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  • Hi Pelly,  
    I'm not sure I understand when you say " take antacids, break the Eucharistic fast or drain my stomach content".

    For people with gluten sensitivity who receive a very small portion of Host, you don't need antacids.  The gluten amount is too small to affect your body.
    Of course, celiac disease is completely different and many think they are the same.

    Why would receiving a small amount of Host = breaking fast?  Sorry to be dense, I don't understand.

    And you'll definitely need to explain about draining your stomach content  :dancing-banana:

    Thanks for your patience Pelly.


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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #11 on: May 22, 2015, 06:57:01 PM »
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  • If you decide to go to the Byzantine Rite, go for the Ukrainian Rite as it is the most conservative form of Byzantine. It is beautiful, and very Catholic. Often, they serve the Divine Liturgy in an English translation that is not like the Novus Ordo translations, meaning it is good. There are some Eastern liturgies that do not contain English at all.  
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Do I commit sin if I choose Byzantine instead of Latin?
    « Reply #12 on: May 22, 2015, 11:58:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    I want to attend a Byzantine-rite church since the Roman Rite is governed by rules hard on gluten-free people.
    But I have to ask a question: do I commit mortal sin if I refuse to go to Roman-rite churches just because the Byzantines provide more opportunity for accommodation?
    Asides from not being able to obtain a Papal indult for rite switching, all Byzantine churches where I live are in the hands of the NO.

    Tho rule is that you are to attend mass on Sunday. This can be any Catholic mass of any rite. If you prefer the Byzantine rite then go there.

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    « Reply #13 on: May 23, 2015, 02:19:04 AM »
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  • @PerEvangelicaDicta You didn't read my note:
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    The method you recommend requires me to take antacids, break the Eucharistic fast or drain my stomach content (smaller Particle dissolves earlier).

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    « Reply #14 on: May 24, 2015, 11:04:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    @PerEvangelicaDicta You didn't read my note:
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    The method you recommend requires me to take antacids, break the Eucharistic fast or drain my stomach content (smaller Particle dissolves earlier).


    I saw that Pelly. I'm sorry I don't understand that connection to antacids.
    If you have a medical issue re: digestion and need to have the rules of fasting modified, for example, to receive Holy Communion in a small particle form, your priest can advise you. That's easy to resolve.

     

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