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PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 07, 2011, 10:19:40 PM »

Aquinaq, Faustina was not really a saint and she was most likely inspired by the devil since her tales conflict with dogma and with the nature of God.

Please do a forum search in these matters should you doubt me. It has been hashed over and over again here.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2011, 04:00:59 AM »

Quote from: aquinasg

I did a search but nothing came up except these posts. I really would like to know why people have a problem with her. Cardinal Ottaviani approved of her once he got a proper traslation of it.

No problem, here you go.

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Neo-Catholic-Obedience-Divine-Mercy-vs-Motu-Proprio

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=12903&min=0&num=10

And some info is in this thread:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Divine-Mercy-Traditional-Opinion

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2011, 01:37:02 PM »

Actually, aquinas, it is YOU who needs to get your theology straight.

Faustina seemed like a wierdo to me. She rambled on during Confessions about how Jesus told her this and that, and spoke of having a vision of Christ being "unclad".

You just get an enjoyment out of trolling around the forum spreading your indifferentist and heretical views. Like I told you on another thread, none of us here will ever accept newchurch. Vatican II, the Bogus Ordo, Divine Mercy, and false ecuмenism are ALL un-acceptable for Traditional Catholics. So you're wasting your time by trying to "convert us".

Diego · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2011, 02:32:26 PM »

There's a lot of cockamamie nonsense regarding the devotion. I recall that Faustina's supposed diaries were in distinctly different handwriting, consistent with a group effort at fabrication. The original devotion was rejected and supposedly rehabilitated by Wojtyla the Worst. Then, to make the devotion oh-so-ecuмenical they had to revised the language in accord with all the Judaizing and ecuмenizing hogwash. That Wojtyla was involved is enough to make the devotion suspect. Remember Wojtyla the Worst was the guy who thought that the Blessed Mother gave us such a defective Rosary that he needed to "bring out fully" the Christology by revising the Rosary (§19 ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE). What a crypto-rabbi clown!

Too, this aquinasq person is plowing the wrong field for converts to neo-Pharisaism.

Diego · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2011, 02:49:51 PM »

Wojtyla the Worst said he made the changes to "develop fully" the Christology of the Rosary. His indisputable inference is the Rosary that the Blessed Mother gave us did not have a fully developed Christology; so, in Wojtyla's view, she gave us a defective Rosary and that he, "the Great," "the instant saint," had to fix the defect. What arrogant rubbish! Arrogance so typical of a rabbi.

Get over that.

I call for another cadaver synod. Try him and toss his rotting rabbi-blessed carcass in the Tiber.

rowsofvoices9 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2011, 02:54:03 PM »

I believe the only reason so many trads have a problem with St. Faustina and this devotion is because JPII promulgated it and because the saint said things that sould very strange. It must be noted that Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich said some pretty weird stuff too yet a lot of trads don't cast any doubts on her saintliness. St. Faustina herself made a prophecy that proved true when she said that the Divine Mercy devotion wouldn't at first be approved and suppressed for a time but that later it would be. There have been many recorded conversions associated with this devotion. I personally love it and try to recite the chaplet each day. It has done wonders in helping me the have greater childlike trust in Jesus and his unfathomable mercy.

Diego · « **Reply #7 on:** November 08, 2011, 03:01:42 PM »

Quote from: aquinasg

Mary'srosary was more Marian. John Paul II wanted people to have the oppurtunity to think of CHrist a little more if they wished. get over it already

As if Mary gave us a Rosary defective in Christ.... trying to rehabilitate that is vile pilpul expected only of a rabbi.

I reiterate my call for another cadaver synod. Try Wojtyla and toss his rotting rabbi-blessed carcass in the Tiber, damn and burn his works.

Diego · « **Reply #8 on:** November 08, 2011, 03:14:16 PM »

Your answer was an ineffectual apologia for an insult to the Blessed Mother by arguably the worst man to "subsist in" the Chair of Peter ever. Arguably whatever he touched became non-Catholic.

Diego · « **Reply #9 on:** November 08, 2011, 03:58:19 PM »

You really do like your smarmy straw man game. That marks your father as the father of lies.

"Your every word is a lie, even when you say 'a' and 'the.'"

I made no mention of sin. I cast no aspersion on meditation (though meditation that is not directed towards God is dangerous).

What I clearly stated was that Wojtyla the Worst was so arrogant that he presumed to impugn as deficient in its Christology, then presumed to perfect the Rosary that the Immaculate Virgin Mary gave us.

What a slap in her face while posing as though he loved her. He also showed his 'love' with the desecration of Fatima.

Get over that.

Diego · « **Reply #10 on:** November 08, 2011, 04:42:30 PM »

Stop being illogical.

Wojtyla the Worst said that his changes fully developed the Christology of the Rosary. His logical inference is inescapable that the Christology of the Rosary was not fully developed until he messed with it—prodigious arrogance on his part, an insult to the Blessed Mother who gave us a perfect Rosary.

Diego · « **Reply #11 on:** November 08, 2011, 05:10:55 PM »

Straw man.

I said his inference is inescapable.

He claimed that his changes "fully developed" the Christology of the Rosary, ergo before his changes it was not fully developed.

The arrogance of a rabbi.

Diego · « **Reply #12 on:** November 08, 2011, 05:14:44 PM »

Are you also dyslexic?

Diego · « **Reply #13 on:** November 08, 2011, 05:31:52 PM »

Quote from: Stephen Francis

You [referring to aquinasg], sir, are an idiot.

Maybe "Raca!" would even apply [joking].

"Aquinas" (as if!) has opened up many fallacious fronts. He (?) has used straw man arguments, ignored logical inference, attempted evasion, indulges popolatry, teaches false obedience, and is the nadir of willful Vatican 2 distortion of the Faith.

He calls evil good, and good evil: puts darkness for light, and light for darkness: puts bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter. He rues wise in his own eyes, and prudent in his own conceits.

He is the personification of Isaias 5:20-21.

I say starve him for the attention his narcissistic flaming craves.

Stephen Francis · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2011, 05:41:50 PM »

First of all, there are not 'three Mysteries', there are FIFTEEN.

Second, the Rosary is as Christological as ANY prayer EVER; what part of all of the Mysteries from the Annunciation (of CHRIST'S ADVENT) to the Coronation (OF THE MOTHER OF CHRIST) could POSSIBLY be misconstrued as less than Christ-centered?

Second, the Rosary IS NOT FIVE DECADES. IT"S TEN.

ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PRAYERS, REPRESENTING THE ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY PSALMS WHICH ARE PRAYED IN THE DIVINE OFFICE.

Monastic brothers and sisters used to pray EVERY Psalm EVERY DAY. Things have changed, of course, because people's time constraints have increased, and, of course, due to the Modernist influence of the Conciliar heretics. They are more than happy to let people pray dumbed-down, shorter devotions and 'meditate' on 'new mysteries' which are, as has been said, an affront to the heavenly perfection of Our Lady's gift.

Honestly... how on earth can you POSSIBLY look at what the Rosary IS, and always HAS BEEN, and see its former SIGNIFICANT and CENTRAL place in the devotional life of Holy Church, and then look at today's compromised sham of religion and not WEEP?

It's simply because you've thrown out the depth of meaning, historical pride of place and ESSENTIAL disciplinary character of Our Lady's Psalter in favor of your lax, ecuмenical New-Age foolishness.