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Author Topic: Did the Laws of Moses die with Christ on the Cross? Old VS New Testament.  (Read 7077 times)

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Re: Did the Laws of Moses die with Christ on the Cross? Old VS New Testament.
« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2019, 02:22:44 PM »
Your ideas about freedom of speech are not Catholic.  They can probably be traced to the so-called "Enlightenment" which, rather than being a good thing, was essentially an anti-Catholic movement.

In my process of having my mind formed to become more Catholic, I had to let go of the "Enlightenment" values that are  indoctrinated in Western society and replace them with traditional Catholic thinking.  There is nothing in Catholicism that suggests that free speech ought to be protected or has any value whatsoever.  In Catholic thinking, only speech that is true and good deserves protection.
I mentioned earlier, 54 years of enlightenment have convinced me of the unrenounceable advantages of freedom of speach over censorship.

I also mentioned earlier that I recognize both the benefits of creating a "safe space" and the right of the owner of this platform to regulate it as he desires.

So, on free speach, in general, I think that we will have to agree to disagree, even if doctors of the Church and Popes recommend and teach against free speach.

Re: Did the Laws of Moses die with Christ on the Cross? Old VS New Testament.
« Reply #71 on: November 24, 2019, 02:25:57 PM »
Here is an analogy to explain what I mean.  The language that you and I are communicating in right now is called (modern) English.  There was a language spoken over a thousand years ago called Old English that was significantly different. If we could travel back in time, we would not be able to understand the speakers of this language nor could they understand us.  Imagine a person who decided that since both of these languages had the word "English" in them, we could treat them as interchangeable.  This person might make statements like "English is a case-inflected language," which is simply false when said of modern English.
I agree but I cannot see the nexus with censorship.


Re: Did the Laws of Moses die with Christ on the Cross? Old VS New Testament.
« Reply #72 on: November 24, 2019, 02:33:40 PM »
Now pay attention, Meg, here is the key distinction—Are you reading carefully now?—In an unbroken line of infallible, unchangeable, perennial doctrine, the Magisterium has anathematized Poche's position on Mosaic Law. The Magisterium has NOT taught an infallible, unchangeable, perennial dogma regarding sedevacantism. Hence, my position and your opposing position are different, but both are sententia communis, teachings which are popular but within the filtered range of theological research. A Catholic may hold or reject sedevacantism.
I can appreciate your distinction here: you are for free speech (Meg) within the framework of accepted Catholic truth and dogma but against free speech (poche) outside the framework of accepted Catholic truth and dogma.

Basically you draw the line, at least for this platform and framwork, to docuмented dogma and infallible truth.

I can see and I can recognize a valid point, within a specific framework. However I continue to reject censorship, in general.

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Re: Did the Laws of Moses die with Christ on the Cross? Old VS New Testament.
« Reply #73 on: November 24, 2019, 02:37:22 PM »
Reject the Church's infallible position at your own peril.

A piece of parchment won't save your soul.


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“Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed at which are contained in the written Word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the church, either in a solemn pronouncement [ex cathedra extra ordinary Magisterium ], or in her ordinary and universal teaching power [a.v.,  “what has always been taught,” ordinary Magisterium ], to be believed as a divinely revealed.”  Vatican Council, Session III Dogmatic Constitution Concerning the Catholic Faith (April 24, 1870) in Denzinger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, §1792

What part of "all" don't you understand?

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Re: Did the Laws of Moses die with Christ on the Cross? Old VS New Testament.
« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2019, 02:44:17 PM »
Gotta love that Catholic who voted parchment over Magisterium.



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“Further, by divine and Catholic faith, all those things must be believed at which are contained in the written Word of God and in tradition, and those which are proposed by the church, either in a solemn pronouncement [ex cathedra extra ordinary Magisterium ], or in her ordinary and universal teaching power [a.v.,  “what has always been taught,” ordinary Magisterium ], to be believed as a divinely revealed.”  Vatican Council, Session III Dogmatic Constitution Concerning the Catholic Faith (April 24, 1870) in Denzinger, Enchiridion Symbolorum, The Sources of Catholic Dogma, §1792
Again I ask, what part of "all" don't you understand?