Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: Deo gratias by Johanness Ockeghem  (Read 785 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Kephapaulos

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 1799
  • Reputation: +454/-15
  • Gender: Male
Deo gratias by Johanness Ockeghem
« on: November 04, 2011, 01:16:13 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


    Offline Raoul76

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4803
    • Reputation: +2007/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Deo gratias by Johanness Ockeghem
    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2011, 03:11:52 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • When I was a wannabe film director I was going to use this in a movie.

    It is very questionable that this is really by Ockeghem.  You will look in vain for anything resembling this piece from the same period.  It is known that he wrote a Deo Gratias for many voices, it was lost for a while and then suddenly turned up...  But what if it's a forgery?  It does have a repetitive trance effect that makes it sound very modern and Philip Glass-like.

    Something that strikes me about it is that it sounds very forlorn.  The text is "Deo gratias" but the melody is so desolate that it sounds to me almost sarcastic.  Listening to this almost instantly puts me into a kind of doomy nostalgic state.  It seems to revel in pain.  To me this evokes the lost souls crying out from hell with profound sadness for what they've lost.  But I can  see how others would hear it differently.  To some it may just be pretty, to me it is like distilled melancholy.  

    Check out my favorite nugget from pre-Renaissance polyphony, Sicut Lilium inter Spinas by Clemens non Papa.  That melody just so perfectly captures Mary, it actually sounds like a rose opening.  A lot more cheery in my opinion.
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.


    Offline Raoul76

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4803
    • Reputation: +2007/-6
    • Gender: Male
    Deo gratias by Johanness Ockeghem
    « Reply #2 on: November 04, 2011, 03:25:40 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Correction, the piece is Ego Flos Campi.  Sicut lilium inter spinas is the phrase that contains the great melody.  

     http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhSk_niYxjKU&v=hSk_niYxjKU&gl=US
    Readers: Please IGNORE all my postings here. I was a recent convert and fell into errors, even heresy for which hopefully my ignorance excuses. These include rejecting the "rhythm method," rejecting the idea of "implicit faith," and being brieflfy quasi-Jansenist. I also posted occasions of sins and links to occasions of sin, not understanding the concept much at the time, so do not follow my links.