Author Topic: Deirdre Manifold (Read 6377 times)

stgobnait · « **Reply #16 on:** March 26, 2013, 05:51:17 PM »

i believe the priest did not like the sspx ?

Thursday · « **Reply #17 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:01:02 PM »

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Short docuмentary on Mrs Manifold. There is a clip of a priest coming to her house to say the old mass.

Of course the priest was a student of the late Fr Denis Fahey.

Strange that there isn't more of a traditionalist movement in Ireland. From what I hear there are a few SSPX chapels, no sedevacantists but a decent sized diocean Latin mass group. Are there many old preiest like this one who say the old mass?

John Grace · « **Reply #18 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:04:33 PM »

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i believe the priest did not like the sspx ?

The priest in the video is pro-SSPX. Some attending the Mass in her home didn't like the SSPX and after the Mass discontinued in her home most people went to the Indult. Some went back to Novus Ordo. I started to attend the SSPX. Deirdre herself went to the Institute Christ the King.

I was with her on what was perhaps her last ever visit to Corpus Christi chapel in Athlone. We had dinner with her son Padraic later that day. He died in 2010.

Not wishing to boast but I am one of the few, who stuck with the SSPX. Fr Loschi, who visited Ireland recently used to say Mass in her house. Do you know what happened? He was willing to give of his time for a youth meeting but guess where the youth went? To Opus Dei. Father disliked the lack of loyalty. I don't blame him

I did my best to keep people going to the SSPX but most people who attended the Mass in her home now attend the Institute Christ the King. Regardless of any criticism I made of the SSPX, I would never attend that Mass.

John Grace · « **Reply #19 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:12:52 PM »

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i believe the priest did not like the sspx ?

That particular priest replaced the late Fr Alan Wilders, who was anti SSPX.

stgobnait · « **Reply #20 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:18:56 PM »

indeed, we are a fragmented, secretive community, none of us know all that goes on, but fr loschi was a wondreful pastor, this i do know.

John Grace · « **Reply #21 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:21:15 PM »

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Are there many old preiest like this one who say the old mass?

There are a few here and there and also some young priests. Fr Owen Gorman comes to mind. He features on EWTN and a big fan of Medjugorje. A Youth 2000 type but says the 'extraordinary form' once per month. Somebody needs to tradify him.

John Grace · « **Reply #22 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:28:39 PM »

Fr Bufe used to say Mass at her home also but then went to the chapel in a hospital. Fr Cunningham, the priest in the video was also coming to Galway so I believe Fr Bufe felt the area was covered.

At one point Mrs Hannah Morgan hosted the Mass in her home, a guest house. Most of her family got involved with a cult, the Magnificat Meal Movement. They tried to infiltrate the SSPX. Most of the family went to Australia to follow Debbie.

John Grace · « **Reply #23 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:33:37 PM »

My 1st encounter with the SSPX was Mass offered by Fr. Dubroeuq in the home of Hannah Morgan. Also an Italian priest visited.

stgobnait · « **Reply #24 on:** March 26, 2013, 06:45:45 PM »

yes, we saw th brightest days of sspx in ireland, so we can see the decline...

John Grace · « **Reply #25 on:** March 27, 2013, 01:19:14 PM »

Fr. Thomas Cunningham, C.S.Sp. who features in the docuмentary posted on the thread offered the Requiem Mass. Fr David Sherry SSPX assisted him. Other clergy including Fr Paul Kramer were present.

We must remember that Deirdre died on the feast of the Annunciation. It was also the anniversary of the death of Archbishop Lefebvre, and today a Holy Ghost priest, a student of Fr Denis Fahey celebrated the Mass.

Sadly, the parish priest was present and many received Holy Communion in the hand despite Fr Sherry gently reminding those present to receive whilst kneeling.The parish priest, who Deirdre was fond of is one of those "I support women priests" type. It was his parish so he decided to distribute Holy Communion Novus Ordo style.

You knew who the Trads in the church were as they formed a line to receive Holy Communion from Fathers Cunningham and Sherry.

JMacQ · « **Reply #26 on:** March 27, 2013, 05:28:39 PM »

Were the Sacred Hosts consecrated during the Mass or was the Novus Ordo tabernacle ciberium used for communion?

It is also very upsetting to learn that sacrilegious communion in the hand took place during this mass. Why was Fr Sherry at the altar anyway? I would understand his presence among the faithful out of respect for Deirdre - but not at the altar in a Novus Ordo church, giving communion while next to him at the same time communion is distributed in the hand. This must be the first time in SSPX history. This disturbs me greatly.

I am starting to agree with stgobnait and John that we do need Resistance priests in Ireland.

John Grace · « **Reply #27 on:** March 27, 2013, 05:45:26 PM »

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Were the Sacred Hosts consecrated during the Mass or was the Novus Ordo tabernacle ciberium used for communion?

It is also very upsetting to learn that sacrilegious communion in the hand took place during this mass. Why was Fr Sherry at the altar anyway? I would understand his presence among the faithful out of respect for Deirdre - but not at the altar in a Novus Ordo church, giving communion while next to him at the same time communion is distributed in the hand. This must be the first time in SSPX history. This disturbs me greatly.

I am starting to agree with stgobnait and John that we do need Resistance priests in Ireland.

It would be wrong to portray Fr Sherry or Fr Cunningham in a bad way. I thought all was ok until the Novus Ordo priests arrived in to the sanctuary as Mass began. They remained there for the Mass. Fr Sherry and a boy from Athlone served.

The parish priest, a liberal took it upon himself to assist and distributed communion in a casual way. Fr Sherry seemed to note this and announced how to receive at a Traditional Mass.

Sadly many people received on the hand from the Novus Ordo priests. Traditionalists went to the Traditional priests.

Matto · « **Reply #28 on:** March 27, 2013, 05:48:00 PM »

That's a shame. :sad:

John Grace · « **Reply #29 on:** March 27, 2013, 05:50:18 PM »

Fr Jennings is the parish priest, Fathers Sherry and Cunningham were visitors. The Bishop of Galway appointed Fr Jennings.

I never like to see the Traditional Mass offered where the Novus Ordo is celebrated. I assume/ presume the Sacred Hosts were consecrated during the Mass.

I mentioned Fr Kramer. For clarification, he remained in the pews and was not in the sanctuary.