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Offline Todd The Trad

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Created Grace
« on: November 05, 2021, 09:36:08 AM »
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  • My question is in regards to sanctifying grace. I have come across this issue when reading debates between the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics. The Orthodox believe that sanctifying grace is uncreated. They make a distinction between God's essence and His energies. I believe they teach that God's energies are what constitute sanctifying grace. On the other hand, St. Thomas Aquinas for example, teaches that there is no distinction between God's essence and His energies because He is absolutely simple. He teaches that sanctifying grace is created. I've never quite understood this. To be honest, when I think of sanctifying grace, I think of the Trinity dwelling within my soul emitting light or power which purifies me and makes me more holy. From what I understand, what I envision sounds more like the Eastern Orthodox idea of sanctifying grace. Can anyone explain CREATED sanctifying grace to me? If sanctifying grace is created, what exactly does it consist of? I've heard sanctifying grace described as a created share in God's Divinity. How exactly are we sharing in God's Divinity if the means to do so, sanctifying grace, is something created outside of God's Divine essence? 

    *Also, actual grace would be considered created too, correct?   
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    Re: Created Grace
    « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 09:18:40 AM »
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  • Anyone? :confused:
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    Re: Created Grace
    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 07:34:24 PM »
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  • Sanctifying Grace,  is Precious Blood Power.  Fr. Faber: All sacraments have Precious Blood.  Rosary, sacramental has Precious Blood.  Grace is Precious Blood. Powers are in the Blood.

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    Re: Created Grace
    « Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 11:53:17 PM »
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  • I've been meaning to more seriously read "The Triads" so I can at least refute EO more extensively on Essence/Energy distinctions. This plays more into one of my interests... Where Palamas talks about the saints "becoming uncreated".

    Orthos misrepresent Ott on this, trying to represent it as a created substance, rather than a state. Sanctifying grace is uncreated in the sense that it is the indwelling of God in the soul, but this uncreated act has a created effect on the soul, a new qualitie(s) in the soul. THAT is the created effect. This is my understanding of the issue, I'm not a theologian lol
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    Re: Created Grace
    « Reply #4 on: November 09, 2021, 01:55:01 AM »
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  • I’m not very bright when it comes to theological matters but when I read

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    He, St Thomas, teaches that sanctifying grace is created. I've never quite understood this. 
    It came to me that if you say a Hail Mary or Glory be devoutly and from the heart, don’t you get sanctifying grace. It seems to me that this has been created. It wasn’t there before you prayed, so it is not uncreated, but created.
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