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Offline Philip

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2023, 02:14:28 PM »
Quote from: Texana on May 23, 2023, 07:18:38 AM
Dear Philip,e ce
Thank you very much.  The next question is, why is Bishop Fellay "bound" to use it?  The negotiations between Archbishop Lefebvre and Cardinal Ratzinger no longer necessitate a compromise choice of the 1962 Missal.  Why can't the FSSPX use the Missal, Pontifical of their patron, St. Pope Pius X?  And no, that is not a rhetorical question.
You are welcome, Texana.  I agree with your sentiment but also agree with Sean's analysis in this thread that the SSPX see 1962 as somehow being 'reasonable' and a way of getting their oldish-rite chapel in the 'Conciliar Cathedral'.

Arguably the worst revision in the 1961 Pontifical was for the blessing of bells.  Before they were actually anointed with chrism as the central part of an elaborate rite, sadly consigned to the bin in the revised version.
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Offline Texana

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2023, 05:12:19 PM »
What happened to doing what is most pleasing to God?  Compromising to men for what--prestige and money?  This is so depressing I just have to cry!  They have to power of the true Roman Catholic priesthood but it is being squandered for what?
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Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2023, 05:25:10 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 23, 2023, 07:38:40 AM
Aside from the sentimental attachment to "the missal +Lefebvre used," I'd say its because of the same reason they don't use the traditional Holy Week (even though Rome has conceded its use to the former PCED communities):

It would send the wrong message to Rome: For canonical approval (or to maintain a probationary approval already given "in pectore"), the SSPX needs to show Rome that they're heading towards the Council, not away from it.

To voluntarily abstain from the old Holy Week (or the old Pontifical, Breviary, Raccolta, Code of Canon Law, etc.) reinforces that "wink" to conciliar Rome.

That's always been the reason SSPX have stuck to the 1962 rites, and not just now with the neo-SSPX.  To use the earlier rites has become synonymous with that dirty word, "sedevacantism".
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Offline cath4ever

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2023, 05:29:39 PM »
The policy of the SSPX is to use the liturgical books in use in the year 1962, and this has been the policy of the SSPX since Archbishop Lefebvre was still alive.

It should come as no surprise to anyone then, that the SSPX would use the rite for the consecration of a church in use in 1962.

So nothing about compromising to men, nothing about prestige or money, nothing about squandering the power of the Priesthood, and nothing about sending the wrong message to Rome.

The SSPX uses the liturgical books in force in 1962, and consecrated the Immaculata according to the rite in force in 1962. Why is that a surprise and an occasion for trying to find ulterior motives?
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Offline trento

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2023, 03:51:27 AM »
Quote from: cath4ever on May 23, 2023, 12:00:05 PM
That's very interesting....I had no idea the rite for the Consecration of churches had been changed prior to Vatican II.

I assume that would explain then why the video of the Consecration of St. Mary's was under 6 hours, while the Consecration of the Chapel of St. Thomas Aquinas in Brooksville, Florida (done by Bishop Joseph Selway) was 8 hours long from ceremony start to ceremony finish.

I compared the booklets for both consecration ceremonies, and the order and essence looks similar, but Bp Selway wasn't as familiar (maybe because this is his first time consecrating a church), while that done by Bp Fellay was more smooth-flowing. I did notice a few differences though which I posted in another thread but didn't receive any answers. Why is it that in the convent chapel consecration were:

- the 12 candles lit before the crosses were anointed?
- there were only 3 crosses on the altar mensa and 3 mounds of lit incense as compared to 5 for the Immaculata
- the relics were carried in procession by priests in red chasubles rather than deacons in red dalmatics.
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