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Offline Texana

Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« on: May 22, 2023, 08:37:30 PM »
Could someone please tell me which book, Pontifical, was used to consecrate the Immaculata?  The commentor stated a difference in the order of the rite being used by Bishop Fellay from the "older rite".  Thank you for your assistance.
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Offline Philip

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2023, 12:18:04 AM »
The SSPX now uses the liturgical books in use in 1962.  In 1961 a new edition of the second part of the Pontifical was publised, the part that contains the rites of dedication of churches, blessings of altars etc.

The revised rites were generally much shorter than those found in Clement VIII's pontifical.  There is a good article on NLM that describes both the revised rite and traditional form.
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Offline Texana

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2023, 07:18:38 AM »
Dear Philip,
Thank you very much.  The next question is, why is Bishop Fellay "bound" to use it?  The negotiations between Archbishop Lefebvre and Cardinal Ratzinger no longer necessitate a compromise choice of the 1962 Missal.  Why can't the FSSPX use the Missal, Pontifical of their patron, St. Pope Pius X?  And no, that is not a rhetorical question.
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Offline SeanJohnson

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2023, 07:38:40 AM »
Quote from: Texana on May 23, 2023, 07:18:38 AM
Dear Philip,
Thank you very much.  The next question is, why is Bishop Fellay "bound" to use it?  The negotiations between Archbishop Lefebvre and Cardinal Ratzinger no longer necessitate a compromise choice of the 1962 Missal.  Why can't the FSSPX use the Missal, Pontifical of their patron, St. Pope Pius X?  And no, that is not a rhetorical question.

Aside from the sentimental attachment to "the missal +Lefebvre used," I'd say its because of the same reason they don't use the traditional Holy Week (even though Rome has conceded its use to the former PCED communities):

It would send the wrong message to Rome: For canonical approval (or to maintain a probationary approval already given "in pectore"), the SSPX needs to show Rome that they're heading towards the Council, not away from it.

To voluntarily abstain from the old Holy Week (or the old Pontifical, Breviary, Raccolta, Code of Canon Law, etc.) reinforces that "wink" to conciliar Rome.
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Offline cath4ever

Re: Consecration rite used in St Mary's, Kansas for the Immaculata
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2023, 12:00:05 PM »
That's very interesting....I had no idea the rite for the Consecration of churches had been changed prior to Vatican II.

I assume that would explain then why the video of the Consecration of St. Mary's was under 6 hours, while the Consecration of the Chapel of St. Thomas Aquinas in Brooksville, Florida (done by Bishop Joseph Selway) was 8 hours long from ceremony start to ceremony finish.
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