Author Topic: Condemned Consecrations at Mass (Read 1361 times)

PetrusPrimus · « **on:** May 15, 2011, 01:52:50 PM »

Hi Everyone,

I was wondering if someone could help me with a source I'm relatively confident about. I understand a priest is not allowed to turn the elevation during Consecration into a devotional event where he holds up the host for an extended period of time. I believe this practice was condemned at a certain (minor?) council. Can someone get me the source on this? It would be much appreciated, and certain trad priests are in need of being corrected.

Michael

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2011, 08:10:00 PM »

Unfortunetly, I cannot find any source that confirms or denies your claim. I myself have never heard of it being condemned to elevate the Host too long. Where did you come across this? I'd like to know. Thanks.

Have a Blessed Sunday.

PetrusPrimus · « **Reply #2 on:** May 15, 2011, 08:23:34 PM »

We had a priest who was learning how to say the '62 Mass at the Fraternity of St Peter. He would hold up the host for a good two minutes it seemed and stare at it. One of the seminarians who served his Mass (a theologian) expressed his disgust when another seminarian brought this up. I guess some thought the priest had a lot of devotion. According to the seminarian I am speaking of, it was VERY misplaced, and the practice had been condemned by the Church, as one does not make the elevation a time of exposition, so to speak. I'll see if I can find something in Denzinger. Michael <><

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #3 on:** May 15, 2011, 08:31:24 PM »

Interesting. Thanks for the info. If you find any sources or quotes on the matter, please post them. I'd like to see them.

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #4 on:** May 15, 2011, 11:31:33 PM »

Hello:

I could not find a source in my hasty skimming through the pages of Rev. Father O'Connell's works or in Matters Liturgical about the practice of a prolonged elevation of either the Sacred Host or the Sacred Chalice. I will look more closely at these tomes and others when the opportunity arises.

However, I will state that I too have heard from others that a prolonged elevation may be an abuse, and it endangers the safety of the Sacred Species. A Priest who has been officiating a liturgical function as intricate and demanding as Holy Mass, who moreover has been fasting and may have pertinent issues with health (such as age, weakness of limbs, &c.), ought not to risk dropping the Sacred Host or the Sacred Chalice by reason of such a prolonged elevation.

Some individuals have the mistaken notion (more in the practical order than theoretically) that the elevation is inherently necessary for the integrity and decorous confection of Transubstantiation, but it is really a distinct act, independent from the Consecration, and it is a later development in the history of the Roman Rite.

Another CathInfo member, "romanitaspress," may be of more substantial help for your query, as it seems that he is not to be surpassed in erudition regarding these matters by anyone in this forum.

s2srea · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2011, 07:58:44 AM »

I've seen the Eucharist held up after consecration for about a minute to 1 1/2 minutes. I'm scratching my head as to why this would be wrong? I've never felt that it is required as part of transubstantiation , as we were taught that it occurs with the words "For this is my body"... but why would it be wrong to adore new newly consecrated host? Just curious....

s2srea · « **Reply #6 on:** May 16, 2011, 05:03:56 PM »

'bump'

Hobbledehoy · « **Reply #7 on:** May 16, 2011, 05:26:23 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

I've seen the Eucharist held up after consecration for about a minute to 1 1/2 minutes. I'm scratching my head as to why this would be wrong? I've never felt that it is required as part of transubstantiation , as we were taught that it occurs with the words "For this is my body"... but why would it be wrong to adore new newly consecrated host? Just curious....

Of course there is nothing wrong with paying adoration to the Sacred Host by means of gestures, even by an elevation slightly prolonged. An unreasonably prolonged elevation, however, may be imprudent if the Priest's weariness or health (such as weakness of limbs) would make it more probable for the Sacred Species to fall. At least this is what I have been told by some who have observed things similar to that which the original poster discussed.

I still can't find a source for which the original poster inquired.

Sigismund · « **Reply #8 on:** May 16, 2011, 06:09:29 PM »

Do the traditional rubrics specify how long the elevation is to last?

stevusmagnus · « **Reply #9 on:** May 16, 2011, 07:11:17 PM »

At NOM's the lib priests make a point to barely elevate the Host to shoulder level, as if they have tendinitis in their shoulders, and then only for few seconds. The fact that they do this on purpose and that the new rubrics allow for it, to downplay the Real Presence, is despicable.

It's like saying, "This is what I think of you, Lord. You are good enough to raise to about eye level, so we are equal, but I refuse to raise You up high for all to see and adore because You'd be distracting from the community's sense of itself."

tedeumjorge · « **Reply #10 on:** October 31, 2011, 06:29:48 PM »

Please, if anyone can actually find the Rubrics on this it would be nice :). I disagree, the priest can hold it as long as he wants (as far as my end, of course doing it for more than a minute or more I think would be unduly too long as far as liturgical rubrics I think).