What is the teaching on those babies that (naturally) die before birth (and never had a chance at baptism)? Is it the same as those aborted?  

I always thought they went to Limbo.  I'd think those innocents aborted would also.

That's what I thought.  Is there any docuмentation out there for this?  
Miscarriages confound me.  God wills that soul into existence, but then takes it back before the baby is even born.  I don't understand that.

That's what I thought.  Is there any docuмentation out there for this?  
Miscarriages confound me.  God wills that soul into existence, but then takes it back before the baby is even born.  I don't understand that.

God also created nature. If something goes wrong, or is defective for whatever reason, the baby can't grow normally.

What about all the children who used to die before age 5? It's not a huge thing these days, but back in the day it was. I could list other horrible sufferings as well.

This sounds a lot like "Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people." or the scoffings of atheists: "Have you ever seen cancer in person? I once saw a cancer patient, and my belief in a good God died in that room..." or similar testimonies.

When you learn the fine details of how babies are formed in the womb, it's practically a miracle. It's amazing any babies are fully formed or born full-term.
The complexity of a single cell makes a smartphone seem as simple as a sharpened stick.

There are all kinds of sufferings which seem evil, that God has allowed in the World after the Fall. Miscarriages aren't the worst suffering he has allowed.
As for the fate of these babies, we can't presume to peer into every deep mystery of God. Who knows, there might be some surprises when we get to Heaven.
What we DO know for sure is that God is all-good, and all-just.

What we DO know for sure is that God is all-good, and all-just.

THIS^^^.  We know this of faith a priori, and so whatever God allows is all good and all just.  THIS we know with absolute certainty.  We're much less certain about why any particular incident was allowed by God for good.  Simply because we can't figure out why, with our pea brains, there's no reason to interrogate God over it.  [As an aside, this is one of my biggest issues with Baptism of Desire speculation, that much of it is rooted in this notion that it would be "unfair" or unjust or unmerciful for God to allow someone to die before Baptism.  Or why did God allows millions of souls in the New World to never hear the Gospel until the 15th century?]

Not only did God perhaps allow a miscarried baby to enjoy perfect happiness for all eternity in Limbo when he might otherwise have ended up in hell, but perhaps other people's souls were touched and effected in certain ways by what happened.  God knows how all things are connected, past, present, future.  Something that happens now might have ramifications in 100 years.  Only God's intellect grasps it all.  I know certain things that happened in my life where, at the time, I had no idea how it could be good (not that I doubted it) ... but that I actually realized many years later the fruit that came of it.  "Oh, NOW I get why all that happened."  We won't always figure it out in this life, but we'll see it all clearly in the next.

Our Lord told Judas that it would have been better for him had he never been born.  In the case of miscarried or aborted babies, God has judged that it was better that they never be born.  In addition, the sorrow of others who experience the miscarriage, say the parents and relatives and friends, might move their minds and hearts to compassion.

Occasionally we read of some horrible thing that has happened to a little child, and there's an outpouring of compassion (and indignation) all over social mєdια.  While the child suffered, how many people were moved to compassion and other virtuous thoughts and feelings as a result.  Also, the suffering may benefit the victims in terms of their eternal fate.

People act as if suffering and pain is evil.  No, it's not.  Take the example of those people born with a defect that they can't feel pain.  They have very difficult lives.  They regularly incur third-degree burns because, say, the put their hands on a hot stove and don't realize that they're being burned.  When we suffer sports injuries and end up limping due to pain.  Well, the pain is calculated to deliberately make you favor the injured area to prevent further injury.  I can't put my full weight on a sprained ankle.  But if I didn't feel pain to prevent me from doing that, I'd be liable to injure it much worse by not favoring it.

Take for example how aborted babies suffer great torture in abortion.  How could that be good?  Well, imagine if abortion was entirely painless.  That would undoubtedly take a lot of steam out of the Pro Life movement, making it much more difficult to persuade people that abortion is evil.  How many women have NOT gone ahead with an abortion solely because of the pain it would inflict on the unborn child who perhaps wouldn't have given it a second thought if it were entirely painless.

No, the only true evil is sin.

I'd like to input into this discussion.  Having had 2--possibly 3 miscarriages, I too wondered what happened to my babies souls.  Of course, I always thought they went to Limbo; but at the end of the world, would Limbo still exist?

Anyway, I looked up the topic in an old set (1910) of Catholic Encyclopedia's that we have.  To summarize, it said that the child would be in place of "natural happiness", and would never be sad at not having the chance to be in Heaven.  On the contrary, it would always be thankful to God and have immense gratitude to the parents for having been given life--no matter that it was only for several weeks or months before birth.  Which made me feel better.  I think that it also said their angels are present, and that Our Lady visits there, as well, but I can't remember for sure.  

As far as Limbo still existing after the end of the world; there was no definite answer on that.  I guess I'll just have to wait and see.  

Limbo is technically part of Hell, and we know Hell will always exist, so I don't see any reason why Limbo would cease to.

THIS^^^.  We know this of faith a priori, and so whatever God allows is all good and all just.  THIS we know with absolute certainty.  We're much less certain about why any particular incident was allowed by God for good.  Simply because we can't figure out why, with our pea brains, there's no reason to interrogate God over it.  [As an aside, this is one of my biggest issues with Baptism of Desire speculation, that much of it is rooted in this notion that it would be "unfair" or unjust or unmerciful for God to allow someone to die before Baptism.  Or why did God allows millions of souls in the New World to never hear the Gospel until the 15th century?]

Not only did God perhaps allow a miscarried baby to enjoy perfect happiness for all eternity in Limbo when he might otherwise have ended up in hell, but perhaps other people's souls were touched and effected in certain ways by what happened.  God knows how all things are connected, past, present, future.  Something that happens now might have ramifications in 100 years.  Only God's intellect grasps it all.  I know certain things that happened in my life where, at the time, I had no idea how it could be good (not that I doubted it) ... but that I actually realized many years later the fruit that came of it.  "Oh, NOW I get why all that happened."  We won't always figure it out in this life, but we'll see it all clearly in the next.

Our Lord told Judas that it would have been better for him had he never been born.  In the case of miscarried or aborted babies, God has judged that it was better that they never be born.  In addition, the sorrow of others who experience the miscarriage, say the parents and relatives and friends, might move their minds and hearts to compassion.

Occasionally we read of some horrible thing that has happened to a little child, and there's an outpouring of compassion (and indignation) all over social mєdια.  While the child suffered, how many people were moved to compassion and other virtuous thoughts and feelings as a result.  Also, the suffering may benefit the victims in terms of their eternal fate.

People act as if suffering and pain is evil.  No, it's not.  Take the example of those people born with a defect that they can't feel pain.  They have very difficult lives.  They regularly incur third-degree burns because, say, the put their hands on a hot stove and don't realize that they're being burned.  When we suffer sports injuries and end up limping due to pain.  Well, the pain is calculated to deliberately make you favor the injured area to prevent further injury.  I can't put my full weight on a sprained ankle.  But if I didn't feel pain to prevent me from doing that, I'd be liable to injure it much worse by not favoring it.

Take for example how aborted babies suffer great torture in abortion.  How could that be good?  Well, imagine if abortion was entirely painless.  That would undoubtedly take a lot of steam out of the Pro Life movement, making it much more difficult to persuade people that abortion is evil.  How many women have NOT gone ahead with an abortion solely because of the pain it would inflict on the unborn child who perhaps wouldn't have given it a second thought if it were entirely painless.

No, the only true evil is sin.

I do not disagree with this.

I don’t believe that the Church has ever defined when the soul is united to the body. I personally believe that it’s at the moment of conception. Ladislaus, do you know anything more on this?

I don’t believe that the Church has ever defined when the soul is united to the body. I personally believe that it’s at the moment of conception. Ladislaus, do you know anything more on this?

This is implicit in the dogma of the Immaculate Conception.