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Cardinal Robert Sarah, the Vatican’s liturgy chief, has asked priests to begin celebrating Mass ad orientem, that is, facing east rather than towards the congregation.

The proposed reform is arguably the biggest liturgical announcement since Benedict XVI’s 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм gave greater freedom for priests to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass.

Speaking at the Sacra Liturgia conference in London on Wednesday, the Guinean cardinal, who is Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, addressed priests who were present, saying: “It is very important that we return as soon as possible to a common orientation, of priests and the faithful turned together in the same direction – eastwards or at least towards the apse – to the Lord who comes”.

The cardinal continued: “I ask you to implement this practice wherever possible.”

He said that “prudence” and catechesis would be necessary, but told pastors to have “confidence that this is something good for the Church, something good for our people”.

“Your own pastoral judgement will determine how and when this is possible, but perhaps beginning this on the first Sunday of Advent this year, when we attend ‘the Lord who will come’ and ‘who will not delay’.”

These words were met with prolonged applause in the conference hall.

Cardinal Sarah had spoken on previous occasions about the merits of ad orientem worship, saying that from the Offertory onwards it was “essential that the priest and faithful look together towards the east”.

But his specifying of the first Sunday of Advent – which falls this year on November 27 – gives a new urgency to his calls for this form of worship.

Speaking after Cardinal Sarah, Bishop Dominique Rey of Fréjus-Toulon said that, although he was “only one bishop of one diocese”, he would celebrate Mass ad orientem at his cathedral, and would address a letter to his diocese encouraging his priests to do the same.

In his talk, Cardinal Sarah also said that Pope Francis had asked him to begin a study of “the reform of the reform”, that is of adapting the liturgical reforms that followed the Second Vatican Council. The cardinal said the study would seek “to enrich the two forms of the Roman rite”.

Cardinal Sarah said that much liturgical study had suggested that some post-conciliar reforms “may have been put together according to the spirit of the times” and “gone beyond” of the Fathers of Vatican II, in Sacrosanctum Concilium, the constitution on the liturgy.

He said that some “very serious misinterpretations of the liturgy” had crept in, thanks to an attitude to the liturgy which placed man rather than God at the centre.

“The liturgy is not about you and I,” Cardinal Sarah told the conference. “It is not where we celebrate our own identity or achievements or exalt or promote our own culture and local religious customs. The liturgy is first and foremost about God and what He has done for us.”

The Cardinal quoted Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: “Forgetting about God is the most imminent danger of our age.”

Cardinal Sarah emphasised a “hermeneutic of continuity”, saying that it was necessary to implement Sacrosanctum Concilium fully: “The Fathers did not intend a revolution, but an evolution.”

He made some specific observations, praising the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham as an example of how the Church could be enriched by other traditions.

In remarks which he did not have time to deliver, but which were later published on Sacra Liturgia’s Facebook page, the cardinal also encouraged kneeling at the consecration and for the reception of Communion. “Where kneeling and genuflection have disappeared from the liturgy, they need to be restored, in particular for our reception of our Blessed Lord in Holy Communion.”


http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/07/05/cardinal-sarah-asks-priests-to-start-celebrating-mass-facing-east-this-advent/

I know most here will say "lipstick on a pig" considering this concerns the NO, but it is still interesting nonetheless, particularly that this is happening under Francis.


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  • Benedict XVI liked ad orientem for that masonic service as it brought 'cosmic balance' (he wrote that) and it was ecuмenical (as in V2 ecuмenical which means becoming a heretic). Pope Francis will veto this if there was any effort to apply this to the wider Conciliar Church. It must be five or more years since I attended a NOM, not accounting for the occasional Month's Mind or Memorial for reasons for social obligation (maybe twice in a year).

    Kneeling for the probably meaningless NOM communion?

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    I know most here will say "lipstick on a pig" considering this concerns the NO, but it is still interesting nonetheless, particularly that this is happening under Francis.


    Or in spite of Francis.  Could this be the N.O. rebranding?
    Give them the visual (some bells and whistles so to speak) and they'll forget about the Tridentine?
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    Cardinal Robert Sarah, the Vatican’s liturgy chief, has asked priests to begin celebrating Mass ad orientem, that is, facing east rather than towards the congregation.

    The proposed reform is arguably the biggest liturgical announcement since Benedict XVI’s 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм gave greater freedom for priests to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass.

    Speaking at the Sacra Liturgia conference in London on Wednesday, the Guinean cardinal, who is Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, addressed priests who were present, saying: “It is very important that we return as soon as possible to a common orientation, of priests and the faithful turned together in the same direction – eastwards or at least towards the apse – to the Lord who comes”.

    The cardinal continued: “I ask you to implement this practice wherever possible.”

    He said that “prudence” and catechesis would be necessary, but told pastors to have “confidence that this is something good for the Church, something good for our people”.

    “Your own pastoral judgement will determine how and when this is possible, but perhaps beginning this on the first Sunday of Advent this year, when we attend ‘the Lord who will come’ and ‘who will not delay’.”

    These words were met with prolonged applause in the conference hall.

    Cardinal Sarah had spoken on previous occasions about the merits of ad orientem worship, saying that from the Offertory onwards it was “essential that the priest and faithful look together towards the east”.

    But his specifying of the first Sunday of Advent – which falls this year on November 27 – gives a new urgency to his calls for this form of worship.

    Speaking after Cardinal Sarah, Bishop Dominique Rey of Fréjus-Toulon said that, although he was “only one bishop of one diocese”, he would celebrate Mass ad orientem at his cathedral, and would address a letter to his diocese encouraging his priests to do the same.

    In his talk, Cardinal Sarah also said that Pope Francis had asked him to begin a study of “the reform of the reform”, that is of adapting the liturgical reforms that followed the Second Vatican Council. The cardinal said the study would seek “to enrich the two forms of the Roman rite”.

    Cardinal Sarah said that much liturgical study had suggested that some post-conciliar reforms “may have been put together according to the spirit of the times” and “gone beyond” of the Fathers of Vatican II, in Sacrosanctum Concilium, the constitution on the liturgy.

    He said that some “very serious misinterpretations of the liturgy” had crept in, thanks to an attitude to the liturgy which placed man rather than God at the centre.

    “The liturgy is not about you and I,” Cardinal Sarah told the conference. “It is not where we celebrate our own identity or achievements or exalt or promote our own culture and local religious customs. The liturgy is first and foremost about God and what He has done for us.”

    The Cardinal quoted Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger: “Forgetting about God is the most imminent danger of our age.”

    Cardinal Sarah emphasised a “hermeneutic of continuity”, saying that it was necessary to implement Sacrosanctum Concilium fully: “The Fathers did not intend a revolution, but an evolution.”

    He made some specific observations, praising the Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham as an example of how the Church could be enriched by other traditions.

    In remarks which he did not have time to deliver, but which were later published on Sacra Liturgia’s Facebook page, the cardinal also encouraged kneeling at the consecration and for the reception of Communion. “Where kneeling and genuflection have disappeared from the liturgy, they need to be restored, in particular for our reception of our Blessed Lord in Holy Communion.”


    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/07/05/cardinal-sarah-asks-priests-to-start-celebrating-mass-facing-east-this-advent/

    I know most here will say "lipstick on a pig" considering this concerns the NO, but it is still interesting nonetheless, particularly that this is happening under Francis.


    Well, that's nice, but Bp. Cupich in Chicago just FORCED the Latin Mass group there, The Canons Regular of St. John Cantius, to celebrate it facing the people, which has never been done under their charter.

    So much for "progress"!

    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2016/06/sarah-and-cupich-in-different-directions.html

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    While Cardinal Sarah is advocating that the Latin Rite return, as a whole (that is, including the New Mass of Paul VI), to worshiping ad orientem liturgicuм, Archbishop Cupich of Chicago seems intent on reinforcing the status quo favoring ad populum -- even extending it (at least momentarily) back to sanctuaries from where it had already been banished.

    On May 30 he ordained a deacon for the Society of St. John Cantius -- his first ordination for them, and his first visit as Chicago's Ordinary to the Church of St. John Cantius. The ordination Mass was celebrated ad populum, contrary to the custom there of celebrating all Masses (whether the Traditional Mass or the Novus Ordo) ad orientem.

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  • It was only for his Mass and that's because he's Blase Cupich. Judging by the fact that he imposed that upon them, it's an altar of his own ego.
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    The cardinal continued: “I ask you to implement this practice wherever possible.”


    The number of places where the bishops or priests deem this "possible" will be able to counted on one hand.  

    A Vatican cardinal "asking" for something is useless--unless he asks for more novelty and destruction of the faith.

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    Vatican Liturgy Chief asks all priests and bishops to face east for Mass, faithful to kneel for Communion

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    ad orientem, catholic, liturgy, robert sarah

    LONDON, July 5, 2016 (LifeSiteNews) – Speaking at a conference on the liturgy in London yesterday, Cardinal Robert Sarah, the highest authority on the topic in the Catholic Church under Pope Francis, asked all bishops and priests to adopt the ancient posture in the Mass where the priest faces the tabernacle along with the congregation, rather than facing the people. He asked that the posture be adopted by Advent of this year, which begins November 27. During the same talk, Cardinal Sarah encouraged all Catholics to receive Communion kneeling. During the talk, the Vatican’s liturgy chief revealed that Pope Francis had asked him to “continue the liturgical work Pope Benedict began.”

    The announcement was immediately recognized by Catholic Herald deputy editor Dan Hitchens as “the biggest liturgical announcement since Benedict XVI’s 2007 motu proprio Summorum Pontificuм gave greater freedom for priests to celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass.”

    Vatican watchers are particularly stunned that Pope Francis, who is regarded by many as a liberal, has encouraged a more traditional approach to liturgy. Yet Cardinal Sarah said, “Our Holy Father Pope Francis has the greatest respect for the liturgical vision and measures of Pope Benedict.”

    French Bishop Dominique Rey, who was present at the conference, took up Cardinal Sarah’s request without hesitation, vowing to at least begin to implement the change in his diocese by Advent. Rey, the Bishop of Fréjus-Toulon, addressed Cardinal Sarah at the conference, saying: “In response to your appeal I wish to announce now, that certainly on the last Sunday of Advent of this year in my celebration of the Holy Eucharist at my cathedral, and on other occasions as appropriate, I shall celebrate ad orientem—towards the Lord who comes.” Bishop Rey added, “Before Advent I shall address a letter to my priests and people on this question to explain my action. I shall encourage them to follow my example.”

    Cardinal Sarah gave thanks for the many celebrations of the liturgy that are devout and give glory to God, but he also lamented the many abuses of the liturgy in the Church. “In recent decades,” he observed, “we have seen many liturgical celebrations where people, personalities and human achievements have been too prominent, almost to the exclusion of God.”

    Cardinal Sarah used his African heritage to drive home the point. “I am an African,” he said. “Let me say clearly: the liturgy is not the place to promote my culture. Rather, it is the place where my culture is baptised, where my culture is taken up into the divine.”

    Sarah suggested that the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council intended liturgical reform to bring more of the faithful to the Mass, yet for the most part the effort has failed. “My brothers and sisters, where are the faithful of whom the Council Fathers spoke?” he asked.

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    Many of the faithful are now unfaithful: they do not come to the liturgy at all. To use the words of St John Paul II: many Christians are living in a state of “silent apostasy;” they “live as if God does not exist” (Apostolic Exhortation, Ecclesia in Europa, 28 June 2003, 9). Where is the unity the Council hoped to achieve? We have not yet reached it. Have we made real progress in calling the whole of mankind into the household of the Church? I do not think so. And yet we have done very much to the liturgy!


    He expressed “profound grief” at the “many distortions of the liturgy throughout the Church today,” and proposed that the “Eucharist is too great a gift to tolerate ambiguity and depreciation.”

    One such abuse he mentioned was when priests “step aside to allow extraordinary ministers distribute Holy Communion” which for many priests was thought to be a way of allowing lay people to participate in the Mass in a substantial way.  Rather, said Cardinal Sarah, “This is wrong, it is a denial of the priestly ministry as well as a clericalisation of the laity.”

    “When this happens it is a sign that formation has gone very wrong, and that it needs to be corrected,” he added.

    He encouraged a generous reception of the traditional Latin Mass and also encouraged traditional practices Pope Benedict proposed previously, including the use of Latin in the new Mass, kneeling for Holy Communion, as well as Gregorian chant. “We must sing sacred liturgical music not merely religious music, or worse, profane songs,” he said. “The Council never intended that the Roman rite be exclusively celebrated in the vernacular. But it did intend to allow its increased use, particularly for the readings.”

    Speaking of kneeling for Holy Communion, the Vatican liturgy chief reminded priests that they are forbidden from denying Communion to the faithful for kneeling for reception of the Sacrament. Moreover, he encouraged all to receive while kneeling where possible. “Kneeling at the consecration (unless I am sick) is essential. In the West this is an act of bodily adoration that humbles us before our Lord and God. It is itself an act of prayer. Where kneeling and genuflection have disappeared from the liturgy, they need to be restored, in particular for our reception of our Blessed Lord in Holy Communion.”

    A lengthy section of his talk was devoted to calling priests and bishops to celebrate Mass facing “ad orientem” or with the people facing Our Lord.  Here are the key excerpts:

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    Even though I serve as the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship, I do so in all humility as a priest and a bishop in the hope that they will promote mature reflection and scholarship and good liturgical practice throughout the Church.

    I want to make an appeal to all priests… I believe that it is very important that we return as soon as possible to a common orientation, of priests and the faithful turned together in the same direction—Eastwards or at least towards the apse—to the Lord who comes, in those parts of the liturgical rites when we are addressing God… I think it is a very important step in ensuring that in our celebrations the Lord is truly at the centre.

    And so, dear Fathers, I ask you to implement this practice wherever possible, with prudence and with the necessary catechesis, certainly, but also with a pastor’s confidence that this is something good for the Church, something good for our people.

    Your own pastoral judgement will determine how and when this is possible, but perhaps beginning this on the first Sunday of Advent this year… may be a very good time to do this. Dear Fathers, we should listen again to the lament of God proclaimed by the prophet Jeremiah: “they have turned their back to me” (2:27). Let us turn again towards the Lord!

    I would like to appeal also to my brother bishops: please lead your priests and people towards the Lord in this way, particularly at large celebrations in your dioceses and in your cathedral. Please form your seminarians in the reality that we are not called to the priesthood to be at the centre of liturgical worship ourselves, but to lead Christ’s faithful to him as fellow worshippers. Please facilitate this simple but profound reform in your dioceses, your cathedrals, your parishes and your seminaries.


    Throughout the talk, Cardinal Sarah stressed the grave responsibility of priests regarding the Eucharist. “We priests, we bishops bear a great responsibility,” he said. “How our good example builds up good liturgical practice; how our carelessness or wrongdoing harms the Church and her Sacred Liturgy!”

    He warned his fellow priests, “Let us beware of the temptation of liturgical sloth, because it is a temptation of the devil.”
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  • A know a novus ordoite who said her new priest is bringing back "traditional" elements to their service (but she wasn't specific). I told her the fact that the priest is still saying the novus ordo sacrilege automatically disqualifies him from saying a real Catholic Mass. I further told her that Rome is realizing that some "conservative" Newchurchers, who seek the Catholic Faith with sincerity but, for whatever reason, they're still heavily deceived, hence, they're anchored in the Sect of Paul VI, are becoming alienated and disgruntled with the walking and talking disaster named "Francis". Rome probably fears some of these people might jump ship to real Holy Tradition and seek out a Tridentine Mass, so they're starting to include some "traditional" elements in the novus ordo foul. It's all charlatanry to keep them feeling "Catholic" and the Newchurch appearing "Catholic". She started crying and admonished me for what I told her. She said I ruined her day because prior to me speaking to her, she felt so good from her novus ordo experience.   :farmer:
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    She said I ruined her day because prior to me speaking to her, she felt so good from her novus ordo experience.
    proof the Novus Ordo is Protestant
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    A know a novus ordoite who said her new priest is bringing back "traditional" elements to their service (but she wasn't specific). I told her the fact that the priest is still saying the novus ordo sacrilege automatically disqualifies him from saying a real Catholic Mass. I further told her that Rome is realizing that some "conservative" Newchurchers, who seek the Catholic Faith with sincerity but, for whatever reason, they're still heavily deceived, hence, they're anchored in the Sect of Paul VI, are becoming alienated and disgruntled with the walking and talking disaster named "Francis". Rome probably fears some of these people might jump ship to real Holy Tradition and seek out a Tridentine Mass, so they're starting to include some "traditional" elements in the novus ordo foul. It's all charlatanry to keep them feeling "Catholic" and the Newchurch appearing "Catholic". She started crying and admonished me for what I told her. She said I ruined her day because prior to me speaking to her, she felt so good from her novus ordo experience.   :farmer:


    Yeah, there is some Latin MAss.  The Novus Ordo Mass in Latin.  And it isn't the 1962 Latin Mass either.    

    Also, there novus ordo masses now with priest facing east.  With combination of Protestant and Latin music.
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  • I will give him props for recommending that those Extraordinary Ministers get the boot. Putting the Eucharist in unconsecrated lay hands is sacrilege.
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  • If the Extraordinary Ministers are banished, then I will believe that is something other than a sop to neo-cons. That's all it is. It is a clever move. It means the semi-Trad and the Neo Con feel the Merciful no sin love.  The New Mass would need radical editing, and Instructions which clamp down on improvising, rather than encouraging it. So called 'abuses' are actually closest in intent to Fr Bugini's Concilium, not the NOM said in Latin. Fr Bugini was a Mason (leaving a suitcase of Masonic correspondence addressed to him as a brother Mason caused even Paul VI to exile him) who wanted to destroy the Faith.

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    I will give him props for recommending that those Extraordinary Ministers get the boot. Putting the Eucharist in unconsecrated lay hands is sacrilege.


    And having women Eucharistic ministers( I mean extraordinary ministers at ordinary mass) and altar girls is a sacrilege.

    Even scripture in the bible says this is wrong. Too many women involved in groups while neglecting their children and their elderly parents.

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    Benedict XVI liked ad orientem for that masonic service as it brought 'cosmic balance' (he wrote that) and it was ecuмenical (as in V2 ecuмenical which means becoming a heretic). Pope Francis will veto this if there was any effort to apply this to the wider Conciliar Church. It must be five or more years since I attended a NOM, not accounting for the occasional Month's Mind or Memorial for reasons for social obligation (maybe twice in a year).

    Kneeling for the probably meaningless NOM communion?

    Hermenuetic of Continuity? :roll-laugh1:


    What is Mind's month?  

    Here in our area, there are several no priests who will make a scene at funeral and not give communion if you are kneeling.   The priest hollered at me.  This other priest has a creepy connection to my family who are charasmatic ; he also made a scene when I kneeled down for communion.  
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  • what would reform look like in the novus ordo? We have to entertain the possibility that there can be reform and return to the catholic faith. Will it happen all at once after so much tribulation and wrecking? Not at all. It may happen in fits and starts. It may not happen at the pace we like, but if it should happen it will not be in the form of a revolution. However, Vatican 2 was nothing if not a revolution. So it looks like reform will be long and tedious if it happens at all. What do you think of Cardinal Sarah?