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Can we ask too much in prayer?
« on: March 01, 2011, 07:34:00 AM »
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  •   Is it possible to ask too much from God?
    I mean should we limit the things we ask of Him because we are unworthy?
      One member here once talked about her intentions and I told her not to want things that are too good. I wonder if I were right?


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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 05:50:58 AM »
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  • No, it is not possible. The more things you ask from God the more you honor Him.

    If you want, I can find a few quotes from several Saints who taught this.
     
    If we ask from God to admit us into the Beatific Vision (=salvation), what is anything else compared to this? We don't shy away from asking this gift from God (which is the greatest possible thing we could ever ask for) on account of our unworthiness. Anything else is as nothing when compared to this. So ask away in all humility and with great hope.



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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 10:17:21 AM »
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  • This is a great topic. I would love to see the quotes if possible. Sometimes I feel like things I might ask would be to worldly or material matters? I, of course ask for spiritual fortitude and the like, but would it be 'wrong' or 'too much' to ask for temporal things (ie for my family and myself?)?

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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 12:14:20 PM »
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  • No, Our Lord can never be outdone in generosity, never.  

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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 01:03:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    No, Our Lord can never be outdone in generosity, never.  


    What you said.

    Though I always like to remember that some of God's greatest gifts are (what seem to us to be) unanswered prayers.


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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #5 on: April 02, 2011, 06:28:12 PM »
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  • Whether we ask for little or much, we are unworthy of anything, spouse.  It is not a case of worthiness, for we are all worthless beggars.  

    He LONGS to give us much greater things than those for which we typically ask.  Be bold, my dear :)
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 07:09:44 PM »
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  • It is not "wrong" or "too much" to ask for temporal things that we may need. It would be wrong to ask for temporal things that we do NOT need because that is the very definition of avarice.

    Three bits of advice before you begin to ask away. First know very well what you ask for and think about the consequences through and through, because as St Teresa of Avila said: “More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones.” The second one is to always begin or end your prayer with "Father, it is possible .... Yet, not as Iwill, but as You will." (Matthew 26:39) This is the way Jesus prayed and this is the way we should pray as well. Third: Have trust.

    Now to the quotes:


    “Publish and cause it to be published, all over the world, that I will set no limits to My graces for those souls that come to seek them in My Heart.” ~Jesus to St. Margaret Mary


    "From this fount of My Divine Mercy souls draw graces solely with the vessel of trust. If their trust is great, there is no limit to My generosity." ~Jesus to St. Faustina


    “Trust in Him, I beg you, and you will have the fulfillment of what your heart desires.” ~St. Vincent de Paul


    A blind man begged Padre Pio to restore his sight  “even if only in one eye,” so that he might again see the faces of his dear ones.  Padre Pio questioned him repeatedly, “Only in one eye?”  Padre Pio told the man to be of good heart and that he would pray for him.  Some weeks later the man returned in tears to thank Padre Pio because his sight was restored! Padre Pio said: “So, you are seeing normally again?”  The man replied, “Yes, from this eye here, not from  the other.”  Padre Pio said: “Ah!  Only from one eye? Let that be a lesson to you.  Never put limitations on God.  Always ask for the big grace!


    Regarding praying for money or greater income St. Teresa of Avila said:

    “Let us not pray for worldly things, my sisters. It makes me laugh, and yet it makes me sad, when I hear of the things which people come here to beg us to pray to God for; we are to ask His Majesty to give them money and to provide them with incomes -- I wish that some of these people would entreat God to enable them to trample all such things beneath their feet. Their intentions are quite good, and I do as they ask because I see that they are really devout people, though I do not myself believe that God ever hears me when I pray for such things.”


    From the book "St Gertrude the Great, Herald of Divine Love":
    "The Holy Fathers have always taught that the measure of our hope and confidence is the measure of the graces which we receive from heaven. They have realized that, through our unreserved confidence, God is most honored and glorified. Nothing will be denied to an unlimited confidence. Our Lord revealed: “It is impossible that anyone should not receive all that he has believed and hoped to obtain. It gives Me real pleasure when men hope great things from Me and I will always grant them more than they expect.”

    Example from the same book: "To a religious who had long prayed in vain for a particular favor, Jesus revealed how pleased He was with Gertrude’s boundless trust in His goodness. “Why dost thou not act like Gertrude, My chosen virgin?” Our Lord inquired of the nun. “She is so firmly established in My Providence that there is nothing which she does not hope for from the plenitude of My grace. Therefore, I will never refuse her anything.”"


    Finally, Jesus said without restrictions "Ask, and it shall be given you." (Matthew 7:7). In fact, there are about twelve instances (that I'm aware of) recorded in the New Testament alone, in which the same thing is said. No restrictions are included (if I recall correctly).



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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 08:15:15 PM »
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  • Oops, that should say "Father, if it is possible...."

    I forgot the "if". I really need to quote correctly Our Lord! :)


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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #8 on: April 02, 2011, 08:37:37 PM »
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  • One priest I know says, when we ask God for something, and He says no, He will give us something better.  

    I like that idea!
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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #9 on: April 02, 2011, 11:54:21 PM »
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  • "You pay God a compliment by asking great things of Him." ~St. Teresa of Avila

    MyrnaM, St. Teresa said something similar about St. Joseph. She said:

    "I wish I could persuade everyone to be devoted to this glorious saint, for I have great experience of the blessings which he can obtain from God. I have never known anyone to be truly devoted to him and render him particular services who did not notably advance in virtue, for he gives very real help to souls who commend themselves to him. For some years now, I think, I have made some request of him every year on his festival and I have always had it granted. If my petition is in any way ill directed, he directs it aright for my greater good."

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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 01:09:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
     Is it possible to ask too much from God?
    I mean should we limit the things we ask of Him because we are unworthy?
      One member here once talked about her intentions and I told her not to want things that are too good. I wonder if I were right?


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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 01:17:27 AM »
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  • I just remembered that, like jllsjlls, I too have assembled a glorious collection of thoughts on prayer:

    "Haste is the destroyer of devotion.. If we allow ourselves to get into this habit, the interior spirit, which is the source of all merit, becomes dried up, and instead of the highest use of our intellect there is only a lip-worship, and holy thoughts and noble feelings are replaced by a blind and mechanical repetition. Once slave to this habit, it is vain to multiply our words of prayer... The words that rise to our lips mean nothing to our heart and leave no impression on our soul. They are nothing but a useless set of words like those for which our Lord blamed the heathen: When ye pray, speak not much as do the heathen, for they think in their much speaking they may be heard' (Mt. 6:7)" (St. Francis de Sales)

    "One of the first things the devil always does is to make people stop praying."

    "Satan seeks to disarm you before every temptation. He does this by taking away from you the only instrument that enables you to defeat him: prayer. In prayer, you obtain from God the light of discernment to discover Stan's snares and the strength to oppose his allurements. He will be untiring in his attempt to rob you of your daily moments for prayer, making excuses that there are other more urgent things to do. He will seek to render your prayers insignificant or inconclusive. Once there is no more room for daily prayer, God inevitably disappears from your life. Other things have taken His place, and Satan is in a position to seduce you at his pleasure." (Fr. Fanzaga)

    "To my mind there is no labor so great as praying to God: for when a man wishes to pray to his God, the hostile demons make haste to interrupt his prayer, knowing that their sole hindrance is in this, a prayer poured out to God. With any other labor that a man takes in the life of religion, however instant and close he keeps to it, he hath some rest: but prayer hath the travail of a mighty conflict to one's last breath." (St. Agatho)

    "In the same way, the Spirit too comes to the aid of our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but the Spirit itself intercedes with inexpressible groanings. And the one who searches hearts knows what is the intention of the Spirit, because it intercedes for the holy ones according to God's will." (St. Paul, Rom. 8:26-27)

    "Do not be either astonished or discouraged at the difficulties you find in prayer. Only be constant and submissive and God will be pleased with you." (St. Claude de la Colombiere)

    "Prayer is nothing else than speaking to God; and to speak to God without concentrating our attention upon Him is a thing most odious to His Divine Majesty." (St. Francis de Sales, Doctor of the Church) 

    "He tempts God who prays well but acts badly, and while he converses with God allows his mind to wander." (Catechism of the Council of Trent)

    "In sickness itself, or amidst casual happenings, so long as the soul is a loving one it is always possible to pray by offering up the distraction itself and remembering Him for whom we are suffering it." (St. Teresa of Avila, Doctor of the Church)

    "How can you ask to be heard by God when you yourself aren't even paying attention to what you say? How can you want God to remember you when you pray if you yourself don't even remember what you say?" (St. Cyprian of Carthage)

    "If you find it impossible to pray, hide behind your good angel and charge him to pray in your stead." (St. John Vianney)

    "If someone, simply as an experiment, should try with determination to make his mind touch on as many and as diverse objects as possible, I hardly think that in so short a time he could run through such diverse and numerous topics as the mind, unrestrained, wanders through while the mouth negligently mutters through the most common prayers." (St. Thomas More)

    "Never give up prayer, and should you find dryness and difficulty, persevere in it for this very reason. God often desires to see what love your soul has, and love is not tried by ease and satisfaction." (St. John of the Cross, Doctor of the Church) 

    "To my mind there is no labor so great as praying to God: for when a man wishes to pray to his God, the hostile demons make haste to interrupt his prayer, knowing that their sole hindrance is in this, a prayer poured out to God. With any other labor that a man takes in the life of religion, however instant and close he keeps to it, he hath some rest: but prayer hath the travail of a mighty conflict to one's last breath." (St. Agatho)

    "Not only pleasure will withdraw men from prayer, but also affliction sometimes; but there is this difference: affliction will sometimes exhort a short prayer from the wickedest man alive, but pleasure stifles it altogether." (St. Thomas More)

    "What I only aim at is this: that we see Him, and remain with Him, to whom we are speaking, without turning our backs on Him. For I think that is what we do when we keep talking to God while thinking about a thousand trifles at the same time." (St. Teresa of Avila, Doctor of the Church)

    "...neglect of prayer, lukewarmness in its performance and the omission of prescribed prayers, are always a step in advance on the way to perdition." (Fr. Groenings)

    "Even holy men sometimes suffer from a wandering of the mind when they pray, according to Psalm 40:12, 'My heart hath forsaken me.'" (St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church and "greatest theologian in the history of the Church")

    "[T]he more violently we are assailed by our restless thoughts, the more fervently ought we to give ourselves to prayer." (St. Gregory of nαzιanzus, Doctor of the Church)


    "What insensibility is it to be snatched wandering off by light and profane imaginings, when you are presenting your entreaty to the Lord as if there were anything else you ought rather to consider than that your converse is with God! How can you claim of God to attend to you, when you do not attend to yourself? This is altogether to make no provision against the enemy; this is when praying to God, to offend God's Majesty by the neglectfulness of your prayer." (St. Cyprian)

    "A friar said to Brother Giles: 'It is written of St. Bernard that he once said the seven penitential psalms and did not think of anything but what he was saying.' The holy Brother Giles answered: 'I think it is a greater thing if an armed camp is strongly attacked, and the sentinel of the camp defends himself manfully and bravely.'"

    "The human mind is unable to remain aloft for long on account of the weakness of nature, because human weakness weighs down the soul to the level of inferior things: and hence it is that when, while praying, the mind ascends to God by contemplation, of a sudden it wanders off through weakness... Purposely to allow one's mind to wander in prayer is sinful and hinders the prayer from having fruit. It is against this that [St.] Augustine says in his Rule (Ep. 211): 'When you pray God with psalms and hymns, let your mind attend to that which your lips pronounce.' But to wander in mind unintentionally does not deprive prayer of its fruit. Hence Basil says (De Constitutione Monachorum i): 'If you are so truly weakened by sin that you are unable to pray attentively, strive as much as you can to curb yourself, and God will pardon you, seeing that you are unable to stand in His presence in a becoming manner, not through negligence but through frailty.'" (St. Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church and "greatest theologian in the history of the Church")

    "Then a friar asked [Br. Giles]: ' What can I do to go willingly into prayer when I feel dry and lacking in devotion?' He replied: 'Suppose a king has two servants, one of whom is armed, but the other is unarmed, and they have to go to war. The one who is armed goes bravely to war, but the other who is unarmed says this to his lord: 'My lord, as you see, I have no weapons. But because I love you I will go into battle even without weapons.' Now the king on seeing the faithfulness of that servant says to his attendants: 'Go and prepare armor to adorn this faithful servant of mine, and place on him the emblem of my own armor.' So too if someone goes into the battle of prayer is if without arms, because he feels dry and lacking devotion, God sees his faithfulness and paces the emblem of His armor on him."

    "Sometimes, also, such is the remissness and negligence with which we pray, that we ourselves do not attend to what we say. Since prayer is an elevation of the soul to God, if, while we pray, the mind, instead of being fixed upon God, is distracted, and the tongue slurs over the words at random, without attention, without devotion, with what propriety can we give to such empty sounds as the name of Christian prayer? We should not, therefore, be at all surprised, if God does not comply with our requests; either because of or negligence and indifference with almost show that we do not really desire what we ask, or because we ask those things, which, if granted, would be prejudicial to our interests." (Catechism of the Council of Trent)

    "A friar once asked [Brother Giles]: 'Why does a man suffer more temptations when he is praying to God than at other times?' The holy Brother Giles answered him: 'When someone has a lawsuit against some opponent in the court of a prince, if that man goes to the prince to suggest that something be done against his opponent, the latter on hearing about it objects with all his power so that the decision should not be given in favor of the former. That is the way the devil acts against us. For if you spend time in conversation with others, you will often see that you do not feel many attacks of temptation. But if you go to pray and refresh your soul, then you will feel the burning arrows of the enemy against you. However, you should not give up prayer on that account, but you should stand firm. Because that is the way to our home above, and he who gives up prayer because of it is like a man who runs away from battle."


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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #12 on: April 03, 2011, 03:39:42 AM »
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  • This is great, Jitpring!! I very recently started to collect quotes from the Saints and Sacred Scriptures on several topics. Some collections are more complete than others. I'm glad to know that you are doing the same!

    But I have to admit that I'm very biased. Haha. Most of my quotes come (almost exclusively) from Saints that I'm very familiar with or entertain a special admiration for. So for example, a quote from St. Claude de la Colombiere would probably not make it into my collection (since I don't know him), even if I saw it like I'm doing right now.

    I'll be copying many of these though. Thanks!

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    « Reply #13 on: April 03, 2011, 12:27:58 PM »
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  • Quote from: jllsjlls
    This is great, Jitpring!! I very recently started to collect quotes from the Saints and Sacred Scriptures on several topics. Some collections are more complete than others. I'm glad to know that you are doing the same!

    But I have to admit that I'm very biased. Haha. Most of my quotes come (almost exclusively) from Saints that I'm very familiar with or entertain a special admiration for. So for example, a quote from St. Claude de la Colombiere would probably not make it into my collection (since I don't know him), even if I saw it like I'm doing right now.

    I'll be copying many of these though. Thanks!


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    Can we ask too much in prayer?
    « Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 04:01:35 PM »
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  • The holy friar Padre Pio also said that you should not put a limit on what you ask from God. He desires to bestow many gifts upon souls.