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Offline Cryptinox

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Byzantine Epicelesis
« on: November 04, 2020, 10:07:48 PM »
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    • In the byzantine liturgy the epicelesis is said after the words of consecration. It reads like this:

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    Priest (in a low voice): Once again we offer to You this spiritual worship without the shedding of blood, and we ask, pray, and entreat You: send down Your Holy Spirit upon us and upon these gifts here presented. And make this bread the precious Body of Your Christ. (He blesses the holy Bread.) Deacon (in a low voice): Amen. Priest (in a low voice): And that which is in this cup the precious Blood of Your Christ. (He blesses the holy Cup.) Deacon (in a low voice): Amen. Priest (in a low voice): Changing them by Your Holy Spirit. (He blesses them both.) Deacon (in a low voice): Amen. Amen. Amen. Priest (in a low voice): So that they may be to those who partake of them for vigilance of soul, forgiveness of sins, communion of Your Holy Spirit, fulfillment of the kingdom of heaven, confidence before You, and not in judgment or condemnation.
    Why would the priest say "make this bread the precious Body of Your Christ" after transubstantiation has occurred? One could argue the prayer is superfluous since this is the case. As a result the Eastern Schismatics claim the prayer is essential for consecration and occurs at this moment. But the idea of it being essential is absurd due  to the fact Christ did not use an epicelesis at the last supper.
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    Offline claudel

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    Re: Byzantine Epiclesis
    « Reply #1 on: November 05, 2020, 11:43:08 AM »
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    • The word is spelled epiclesis, or sometimes epiklesis. It is a straight transliteration from the Greek word ἐπίκλησις. Given the importance of the action the word denotes, this is not a case where carelessness in spelling doesn't matter.

    Furthermore, before you make ignorant claims for the superfluity of an ancient and, in its origins, entirely orthodox practice, read the article in the Catholic Encyclopedia and learn a thing or two.
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    Offline Sigismund

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    Re: Byzantine Epicelesis
    « Reply #2 on: November 18, 2020, 04:42:12 PM »
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    • Byzantine Catholics do the same thing.  Our Liturgy is every bit as Catholic as yours.  Ask any pope.  As Claudel says, you need to study more before speaking about things you clearly know nothing about. 
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Re: Byzantine Epicelesis
    « Reply #3 on: November 18, 2020, 06:41:30 PM »
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    • I agree with the theologians who hold that the epiklesis has the perspective of quoad nos while the consecration effects transubstantiation quoad se.  This solves the problem quite neatly.  It is the Holy Spirit Who is always invoked in the context transmitting the supernatural into the natural world, so this makes a great deal of sense.
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