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Author Topic: Mass Conversion of Jews Before Christ's Return?  (Read 2343 times)

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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Mass Conversion of Jews Before Christ's Return?
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2026, 12:55:22 PM »

You are begging the question as to what the verse means, suggesting a reading is infallible. Scripture is infallible, yes, but the interpretations or readings of a verse are not, unless. Interpretations of Scripture are just that, viewpoints, interpretations, unless the Church has raised an interpretation to a matter of the faith. The Church has not dogmatically interpreted but a handful of Scriptures I believe.

Of course, one cannot read Scriptures which the Church has not so interpreted inconsistent with any Church teaching or dogma, but there are many disputed Scriptures that are read variously without being contrary to Church teaching.
The Church has already told us how to read Scripture:  You must read it as LITERAL, unless the Church says otherwise.  Literal is the default.

St Paul’s teaching is clear, based on the literal understanding of the passage.  We know it’s a literal passage because (as you admitted), many, many saints have agreed with St Paul.  Thus, the literal understanding of this passage is confirmed. 

There is no room for “interpretation”  on this passage.  Accept the literal meaning. 

It is an error to think that the Magisterium has “spoken” in each and every Scriptural passage.  That hasn’t happened nor will it.  Your appeal to “Well, the magisterium hasn’t told us” is not some permission to privately use your own imagination.  

Offline St Giles

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Re: Mass Conversion of Jews Before Christ's Return?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2026, 06:37:43 PM »
Define Jews


Re: Mass Conversion of Jews Before Christ's Return?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2026, 09:39:33 PM »
Well, I have been reading Cardinal Mannings books.  He speaks of the Latter Times and The Church Triumph which is of interest to me.  there is mention of the Jews being converted, after Tribulations to Church Triumph.  One book in my mind is The Present Crisis of the Church, maybe 97 pages, but very interesting.

Offline OABrownson1876

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Re: Mass Conversion of Jews Before Christ's Return?
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2026, 05:17:10 PM »
Define Jews
Greasy people who speak Yiddish, usually having crooked teeth (probably because their dads are too cheap to have them straitened), pretend to have a priesthood, do not pretend to have a Temple, wearing skull caps of varying colors, and they definitely cannot tell you what the Bible is. 

Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Mass Conversion of Jews Before Christ's Return?
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2026, 07:03:12 AM »
I had abandoned this thread, because I recognize that there are many saints and doctors who held to a mass conversion of the Jews near the time of the end. It is in truth a very solid consensus. And I hope they are right. I just don't see that in the Scriptures, and find it contrary to God's explicit rejection of them in language supporting a grave finality.

But I was reading Jeremiah again this morning, and the close of chapter 7 into the beginning of chapter 8 says this:


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7:30-34  Because the children of Juda have done evil in my eyes, saith the Lord. They have set their abominations in the house in which my name is called upon, to pollute it:

And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Ennom, to burn their sons, and their daughters, in the fire: which I commanded not, nor thought on in my heart.Therefore, behold the days shall come, saith the Lord, and it shall no more be called Topheth, nor the Valley of the son of Ennom: but the Valley of slaughter, and they shall bury in Topheth, because there is no place. And the carcasses of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the air, and for the beasts of the earth, and there shall be none to drive them away. And I will cause to cease out of the cities of Juda, and out of the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

8:1-3  At that time, saith the Lord, they shall cast out the bones of the kings of Juda, and the bones of the princes thereof, and the bones of the priests, and the bones of the inhabitants of Jerusalem, out of their graves. And they shall spread them abroad to the sun, and the moon, and all the host of heaven, whom they have loved, and whom they have served, and after whom they have walked, and whom they have sought, and adored: they shall not be gathered, and they shall not be buried: they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth. And death shall be chosen rather than life, by all that shall remain of this wicked kindred in all places, which are left, to which I have cast them out, saith the Lord of hosts.


Of course, a remnant of Jews have been, and will be saved, beginning with the Apostles. But those ethnic Jews who join the Church are not the "wicked kindred" being spoken of, identified by St. Paul in Romans 9 as only Israel "according to the flesh," whose father is Satan. John 8:43-44. And, yes, the Church, as the Israel of the New Covenant, has its own who are merely "according to the flesh," baptized into the Church but without true faith, heretics and apostates, etc., and also its remnant, as we see in these last days as the history of God's people repeats itself. 

Anyway, as I said, I will let this thread die and will not argue against weight of the contrary interpretation.