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Online Stubborn

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Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2021, 12:21:32 PM »
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    • Quote from: ByzCat3000 on July 01, 2021, 11:39:43 AM
    If you're in danger of death, from what I understand you are allowed to confess to any priest, or even a priest who is in schism or who has doubtful validity. From what I understand the only way you are not allowed to confess in a case of danger of death  is that you are certain that the priest is invalid.
    Yes, this is essentially what the Church taught at Trent.


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    Stubborn's argument is that God would never put him in a situation we're the only priest he had available was an NO priest. Okay maybe, but that's a different question then whether theoretically, if that was the situation you ended up in, that you would confess to him.
    I am arguing Divine Providence, no priest is ever going to appear by chance or coincidence in an emergency, if one is to be had at all, he will be sent by God. So if you remain faithful, do not compromise and do not go to the NO even occasionally in this life, then if you get a priest at all, you will get a good priest to give you valid sacraments without the risk getting a NO priest. God won't send you a NO priest because He knows that like Him, you hate the NO because you've proved it by avoiding the evil thing your whole life. It's just that simple.

    There is no doubt that God hates the NO service. It was contrived in hell and perpetrated here on earth in order to replace the true Holy Sacrifice and derail the faith of all who go there, that is the main reason it even exists at all and it's why we avoid it always.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #61 on: July 01, 2021, 12:59:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 01, 2021, 07:05:28 AM
    Given I have a rosary hanging from my car's rear view mirror, I suspect that if I were in a serious car accident and I was alone, they would get me a Novus Ordo priest.  However, given I know for a fact that there is not ONE certainly valid active priest in the whole state of Vermont, I would NOT accept him.  And quite honestly, as I have said earlier, the chances that any Novus Ordo priest is certainly valid this late in the post Vatican II game are so miniscule.  

    The LAST thing I want to do before I die is make a mockery of the Lord's sacrament of confession.  
    The fruits of sedevacantism.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #62 on: July 01, 2021, 01:01:11 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on July 01, 2021, 10:42:56 AM
    Sean has the understanding of your typical Indulter, i.e. "the new mass is valid but inferior to the True Mass." Has eyes but blinds himself.
    Stubborn goes to too many Novus Ordo, so he lost his mind.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #63 on: July 01, 2021, 01:04:00 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 01, 2021, 10:44:43 AM
    This is what happens when we dip even the tips of our Catholic toes in the NO.

    2v-
    Stop your toe-dipping!
    Do you and Stubborn go to the same indult?
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #64 on: July 01, 2021, 01:10:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 01, 2021, 12:59:12 PM
    The fruits of sedevacantism.
    Many traditionalist non-sedes in SSPX or resistance would say the same as 2VT.  I know many who hold this view and are not sedes.   Paul VI gutted the ordination rites, bishops and priests.   Anyone who has seriously looked into it would avoid them and not partake of the sacraments from them.  
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #65 on: July 01, 2021, 01:13:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Bellato on July 01, 2021, 01:10:38 PM
    Many traditionalist non-sedes in SSPX or resistance would say the same as 2VT.  I know many who hold this view and are not sedes.   Paul VI gutted the ordination rites, bishops and priests.   Anyone who has seriously looked into it would avoid them and not partake of the sacraments from them.  
    What?
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #66 on: July 01, 2021, 01:37:06 PM »
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    • Sean, it does you no good whatsoever to say in your sig that you "retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them" while you keep making statements that are incongruent with the True Faith. Just sayin. 

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    « Reply #67 on: July 01, 2021, 01:41:25 PM »
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    Many traditionalist non-sedes in SSPX or resistance would say the same as 2VT.

    Right.  Bishop Tissier being a prime example.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #68 on: July 01, 2021, 01:41:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 01, 2021, 01:41:25 PM
    Right.  Bishop Tissier being a prime example.
    Lie:

    2v says certainly invalid.

    Tissier (used to) say doubtful.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #69 on: July 01, 2021, 01:43:53 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on July 01, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
    Sean, it does you no good whatsoever to say in your sig that you "retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them" while you keep making statements that are incongruent with the True Faith. Just sayin.
    I’ll pray you join the Catholic Church.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #70 on: July 01, 2021, 02:04:23 PM »
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    Lie:

    2v says certainly invalid.

    Tissier (used to) say doubtful.

    Ok, I misspoke.  Didn't realize 2V says certainly invalid.  Don't think there's anyway to prove that, so I don't agree with her.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #71 on: July 01, 2021, 03:55:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 01, 2021, 02:04:23 PM
    Ok, I misspoke.  Didn't realize 2V says certainly invalid.  Don't think there's anyway to prove that, so I don't agree with her.
    Actually it's a lie.  I have never said they were certainly invalid.  I do say we don't know of any certainly valid NO priests.  Not the same thing.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #72 on: July 01, 2021, 04:35:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 01, 2021, 12:59:12 PM
    The fruits of sedevacantism.

    It's actually fun to watch you R&R guys go after each other for a change.
    I used to go after both you and Stubborn on that issue, but now I sit back and  :popcorn:
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #73 on: July 01, 2021, 04:39:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on July 01, 2021, 03:55:48 PM
    Actually it's a lie.  I have never said they were certainly invalid.  I do say we don't know of any certainly valid NO priests.  Not the same thing.

    Very few Traditional Catholics, including sedevacantists, think that the NO consecration, ordination, and NOM are certainly invalid.  We'd really need the judgment of the Church for certainty.  Probably the episcopal consecration comes the closest.  But, in the practical order, positive doubt must be treated the same as invalid ... except in danger of death.

    Really the only certainly invalid consecration I've seen was the first attempt to consecrate Fr. Pfeiffer.  There Fr. Sanborn chimed in with a clearly invalid (not just doubtful).  I would agree.  That goes beyond mere positive doubt.  Of course, there was allegedly a second one.
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    Re: bp Williamson on NO Eucharistic Miracles
    « Reply #74 on: July 01, 2021, 04:46:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on July 01, 2021, 01:13:34 PM
    What?
    What did you not understand.  It was clear, was it not?
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