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Offline josefamenendez

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Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
« Reply #90 on: January 26, 2025, 07:59:16 AM »
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  • This is the last post I could find - I saw it at 3:30 AM eastern time this morning


    @TheWMReview

    UPDATE on Bishop Williamson, RE his having a few days left:

    "This is the truth... And many thanks to the growing
    group of young and not so young people who are now
    watching day and night over His Lordship at the
    hospital... 'Vigilate et orate!'" (From his house in Broadstairs)



    Not much here, but apparently they are keeping constant vigil.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #91 on: January 26, 2025, 08:48:55 AM »
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  • This is the last post I could find - I saw it at 3:30 AM eastern time this morning


    @TheWMReview

    UPDATE on Bishop Williamson, RE his having a few days left:

    "This is the truth... And many thanks to the growing
    group of young and not so young people who are now
    watching day and night over His Lordship at the
    hospital... 'Vigilate et orate!'" (From his house in Broadstairs)



    Not much here, but apparently they are keeping constant vigil.



    Good to know that there are many who are keeping vigil at the hospital. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #92 on: January 26, 2025, 09:36:44 AM »
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  • How edifying and beautiful that the young and not-so-young are gathered for His Excellency!  And so many more of us gathered in spirit.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #93 on: January 26, 2025, 10:52:58 AM »
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  • Thank you, Bishop Williamson.  I bought your book about returning to the Land.  

    May God be with you always. 
    May God bless you and keep you

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #94 on: January 26, 2025, 02:00:03 PM »
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  • Bishop Williamson understood the root theological / philosophical causes of Vatican II better than any prominent Traditional Catholic leader out there, better than even Archbishop Lefebvre.

    He traced the root causes much farther back than anyone else from among the mainstream Trad clergy, most of whom imagined that things were great through the 1950s, after which there happened some inexplicable, sudden, dramatic collapse that "came out of nowhere".

    He recognized that the root cause of all the errors in Vatican II was subjectivism.  No one else picked up on this, focusing instead on the individual errors than on the root cause.  It's like doctors who treat the symptoms vs. the very few who try to identify and treat the root cause of the symptoms.  He recognized how this started in the "Renaissance" and "Enlightenment" (which he correctly identified as really a re-death and a darkening of minds), tracing this trend through the philosophers, and ultimately the phenomenologists.

    So that is THE most powerful teaching I received from him ... to the point that I take it much farther now than even Bishop Williamson, recognizing that the subjectivism in terms of entering Catholic theology started with the undermining of EENS in the early 16th century.  I see the nexus between the philosophical trends and the theological trends at EENS dogma, the touchpoint between the rise of subjectivism and its infection of Catholic theology.  But I won't digress too much.

    That is by far the most powerful thing I was taught by Bishop Williamson in terms of philosophy and theology, and it has completely changed the way I think.

    See, by identifying the root cause of these errors, Bishop Williamson helped protect us from other manifestations of error from this same root caause in the future, rather than many others who just played whack-a-mole with this particular error or that other error, treating this symptom or that symptom, unable to get a handle on it due to not understanding the root cause, and even often succuмbing themselves to some errors, since, again, they were not equipped intellectually to recognize the error for what it is.

    Bishop Williamson didn't just hand us fish, but he taught us HOW to fish.  He taught us HOW to think and reason, rather than merely regurgitate why this or that specific error is wrong.

    Bishop Williamson also hammered into my brain that "ideas matter", that they matter more than anything else.  So, the modern world has gotten to a point where as long as we "get along" and are "nithe", it's OK if we have different core principles, and we can just hold hands and sing "kumbaya" together, and then go sit around on our own to think thinks without any consequence, that ideas, i.e. philosophy, was merely an abstract exercise done for entertainment purposes.

    And he was also right about certain historical issues that have corrupted politics for going on a century now.

    God bless Bishop Williamson.
    Truly. I owe him a great debt for the graces he gave our family, the insights imparted, and especially for his being a relentless foe of God's most organized enemies on Earth.

    Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine.
    Et lux perpetua luceat ei.
    Requiescat in pace.
    Amen.
    Anima ejus et animum omnium fidelium defunctorum per misericordiam Dei requiescant in pace.
    Amen.

    :pray::pray::pray::pray::pray::pray::pray:



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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #95 on: January 26, 2025, 02:03:04 PM »
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  • The admin of the Bishop Williamson (unofficial) Telegram has posted this:

    I had the honour of visiting Bishop Williamson today in the QEQM hospital today. The doctors estimate he is most likely to die within the next 24 hours, and even if he recovered, he would be in a vegetative state. We prayed the rosary around him, he again received extreme unction and mass was said in his room, both of which I had the privilege of participating in. Bishop Richard Nelson Williamson would and does want us to pray the rosary for him, so please do.

    God bless you all

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #96 on: January 26, 2025, 02:17:42 PM »
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  • :pray::pray::pray:

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #97 on: January 26, 2025, 02:48:44 PM »
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  • The admin of the Bishop Williamson (unofficial) Telegram has posted this:

    I had the honour of visiting Bishop Williamson today in the QEQM hospital today. The doctors estimate he is most likely to die within the next 24 hours, and even if he recovered, he would be in a vegetative state. We prayed the rosary around him, he again received extreme unction and mass was said in his room, both of which I had the privilege of participating in. Bishop Richard Nelson Williamson would and does want us to pray the rosary for him, so please do.

    God bless you all

    Are we sure it's real?  Fake stories also originated with Telegram accounts.

    Man do I hate this "vegetative state" crap, not only the degrading term itself, reducing human beings conceptually to being the equivalent of vegetables, but also how they then leverage it to kill people, like Terri Schiavo.  Fr. Cekada's callous defense of her murder continues to be one of the most disgraceful episodes in the history of Traditional Catholicism.  Perhaps the worst possible outcome here would on fact be that, and then I could see the state moving to murder Bishop Williamson.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #98 on: January 26, 2025, 03:11:13 PM »
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  • This Telegram channel did not post that +W had died.  They cautioned against spreading false info, so perhaps there is reason to trust this one site.

    I agree with the "vegetative state" nonsense.  I wonder if they do mean to murder him and harvest his organs, not for transplants, but for experimentation.  I hope whoever is there on his behalf is monitoring and advocating against any such action.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #99 on: January 26, 2025, 03:16:23 PM »
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  • This Telegram channel did not post that +W had died.  They cautioned against spreading false info, so perhaps there is reason to trust this one site.

    I agree with the "vegetative state" nonsense.  I wonder if they do mean to murder him and harvest his organs, not for transplants, but for experimentation.  I hope whoever is there on his behalf is monitoring and advocating against any such action.

    Same.  I had read that in England you are an organ donor by default unless you opt out, so I hope that His Excellency had done so.  Of course, with his age, most of his organs would likely not be great candidates for transplant ... so that works in his favor.  But I could see them trying to murder him like they did to Terri Schiavo ... just to set precedents, and out of sheer malice.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #100 on: January 26, 2025, 04:48:17 PM »
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  • Same.  I had read that in England you are an organ donor by default unless you opt out, so I hope that His Excellency had done so.  Of course, with his age, most of his organs would likely not be great candidates for transplant ... so that works in his favor. 
    Don't count on it.  In Canada they will use organs from any age even 90> year olds.  Their logic is it may give the recipient another couple years or time until a more viable organ is available. 
    Lord have mercy
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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #101 on: January 26, 2025, 05:04:56 PM »
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  • Are we sure it's real?  Fake stories also originated with Telegram accounts.

    Man do I hate this "vegetative state" crap, not only the degrading term itself, reducing human beings conceptually to being the equivalent of vegetables, but also how they then leverage it to kill people, like Terri Schiavo.  Fr. Cekada's callous defense of her murder continues to be one of the most disgraceful episodes in the history of Traditional Catholicism.  Perhaps the worst possible outcome here would on fact be that, and then I could see the state moving to murder Bishop Williamson.
    Yes, I know the owner of that telegram. He's meet with +W a few times this year, and was supposed to meet with him today (before he was in hospital).
    Instaurare omnia in Christo

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #102 on: January 26, 2025, 05:07:15 PM »
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  • Don't count on it.  In Canada they will use organs from any age even 90> year olds.  Their logic is it may give the recipient another couple years or time until a more viable organ is available. 
    Lord have mercy

    Really?  Well, then I do hope that His Excellency had opted out of the organ donor thing.  Since the default is to be considered an organ donor, I bet there are many people there who are not aware of the need to opt out or just don't want to go out of their way to do it.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #103 on: January 26, 2025, 05:14:47 PM »
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  • Sorry, I didn't read those prayers before posting, I thought they are different. I was moved by the story about about these prayers.

    "There once was a Pope in Rome who was surrounded by many sins. The Lord God struck him with a fatal illness. When he saw that he was dying, he summoned cardinals, bishops, and learned persons and said to them: “My dear friends! What comfort can you give me now that I must die, and when I deserve eternal damnation for my sins?” No one answered him. One of them, a pious curate named John said: “Father, why do you doubt the Mercy of God?” The Pope replied: “What comfort can you give me now that I must die and fear that I’ll be damned for my sins?” John replied: “I’ll read three prayers over you; I hope you’ll be comforted and that you’ll obtain Mercy from God.” The Pope was unable to say more. The curate and all those present knelt and said an Our Father, then the following Prayers:


    and after these prayers it's written: "Meanwhile the Pope died. The curate persevered to the  hour, then the Pope appeared to him in body and comforted him. His countenance as brilliant as the sun, his clothes as white as snow, he said: “My dear brother! Whereas I was supposed to be a child of damnation, I’ve become a child of happiness. As you recited the first Prayer, many of my sins fell from me as rain from Heaven, and as you recited the second Prayer, I was purified, as a goldsmith purifies gold in a hot fire. I was still further purified as you recited the third Prayer. Then I saw Heaven open and the Lord, Jesus, standing on the Right Hand of God the Father Who said to me: “Come, all thy sins are forgiven thee, you’ll be and remain in the Realm of My Father forever. Amen!”

    With these words, my soul separated from my body and the Angels of God led it to Eternal Joy. As the curate heard this, he said: “O Holy Father! I can’t tell these things to anyone, for they won’t believe me.” Then the Pope said: “Truly I tell thee, the Angel of God stands with me and has written the prayers in letters of gold for the consolation of all sinners. If a person had committed all the sins in the world, but that the three Prayers shall have been read (over him) at his end (death), all his sins will be forgiven him, even though his soul was supposed to suffer until the Last Judgment, it will be redeemed (freed).

    The person who hears them read, won’t die an unhappy death, nor in whose house they will be read. Therefore, take these prayers and carry them into St. Peter’s Basilica and lay them in the Chapel named the Assumption of Mary, for certain consolation. The person who will be near death, who reads them or hears them read, gains 400 years indulgence for the days he was supposed to suffer in Purgatory because of his guilt. Also, who reads this Prayer or hears it read, the hour of his death shall be revealed to him. Amen!

    It is because of the above account that you posted that the three prayers, with the Kyries, Paters and Aves, were added to the prayers prayed after the administration of Extreme Unction by the priest, to the priests' Rituale Romanum.
    Unfortunately, the internet and those copying/altering the original Pieta Prayer book have in recent times modernized/altered/deleted parts of the original.  The devil never rests.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #104 on: January 26, 2025, 05:19:23 PM »
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  • I think I have located a trustworthy source for updates.  The Telegram channel "Truth Unchained" normally used for publishing His Excellency's sermons, interviews, etc. is now giving updates on his condition.  https://t.me/s/truthunchained
    You don't need to sign up for Telegram if you don't want to; there is a preview option.