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Offline Mithrandylan

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Re: Bishop Williamson is not dead yet
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2025, 12:05:20 PM »
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  • The report was false. Not sure why. Spoke with Sean who just spoke with Bishop Z (~12 pm noon central time Jan 25 2025 AD). Bishop W has not died yet. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #61 on: January 25, 2025, 12:15:10 PM »
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  • So, I got some information from Sean also.  It appears that they're trying to keep him on life support long enough for his brother to see him, and possibly also a couple of the bishops he consecrated.

    I know that when my father passed away, he was being kept alive only by the equipment that was continuing his biological funcitons, and then when they took him off, he died within 2 or 3 minutes.

    So I surmise, based on the language Sean used, that they're "trying to keep him alive long enough ..." for his brother and various bishops to see him, in a sense both reports might be true.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #62 on: January 25, 2025, 12:16:49 PM »
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  • I got it from X but it looked official.  I even tried to confirm it before passing it on, but apparently I failed.  I have seen several people on X retracting the message that I posted here. 

    In your post where +W's death was announced, I noticed that Fr. Kramer had posted something on X, but can't remember what it said. It must have been removed from your post, since it's no longer there.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #63 on: January 25, 2025, 12:18:36 PM »
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  • Looks like a trick, a battle for His Excellency’s soul is going on. It could be a trick of the enemy or a clever way of getting lots of people to pray for him! 

    Well, people are praying for him either way ... so I doubt it has any impact one way or another on prayers.  And, if he's unconscious and on life support, I don't believe there would be any continuing "battle" either.

    As I see it, there are one or two possibilities:
    1) someone reporting his death out of grief or bitterness in the sense of it being inevitable and a foregone conclusions, and the continuing life support being ultimately irrelevant
    2) some joker trying to get views on X

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #64 on: January 25, 2025, 12:20:17 PM »
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  • So I surmise, based on the language Sean used, that they're "trying to keep him alive long enough ..." for his brother and various bishops to see him, in a sense both reports might be true.

    I would feel a lot better if it were a misunderstanding of this sort rather than somebody deliberately faking messages.  


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #65 on: January 25, 2025, 12:27:21 PM »
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  • In your post where +W's death was announced, I noticed that Fr. Kramer had posted something on X, but can't remember what it said. It must have been removed from your post, since it's no longer there.
    Nothing was removed from my post.  You can see that Lad quoted it shortly after I posted it and there are no changes.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #66 on: January 25, 2025, 12:30:47 PM »
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    Contrairement aux fausses rumeurs qui circulent, SE Mgr Williamson n'est pas décédé à midi.

    Plutôt que de répandre des rumeurs, redoublons de prières à l'intention de ce serviteur de Dieu et de son Église
    "Contrary to the false rumors circulating, His Eminence did not die at midday. Instead of spreading rumors, keep praying for this servant pf God and His Church." -Translation of the Seminary telegram announcement.


    This makes sense. My hope is that the death announcement was just a misunderstanding.
    Christ is Risen! He is risen indeed

    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #67 on: January 25, 2025, 12:33:24 PM »
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  • So, my father passed away some years ago at 1:00 AM on December 26th, after having been kept alive artificially for some time on "life support".  I did always wonder if his soul hadn't actually passed into eternity on December 25th, despite the fact that some mechanical artifice had been keeping his heart and lungs moving.  I could see that being the case.

    So a year or two earlier, my father had a dream about his death, where he told me that he heard Christmas bells ringing and he mentioned that I was there.  For a while I wondered what this could have meant, i.e. whether I might precede him in death.  But, interestingly, I had arrived at the hospital maybe about 10:30 - 11:00 PM on Christmas Day, and "relieved" some of my family to take my "shift" there, and I was alone among my family there when they finally took him off the life support equipment and he passed away.  I was on my knees there praying for him, and I wonder if that's what he had seen about me being there and the Christmas bells.  I found it strange because I certainly wasn't the closest with him of his 5 children, but that would have been my sister, and that's why I found it odd that he saw me there in his dream ... and not my mother, my sister, or even my brother Steve, who also was closer to him than I was, since he had been living there with my parents for some time before he got married.

    So, a bit of a digression, but I wonder if His Excellency's soul hasn't in fact already moved on if they're just trying at this point to "keep him alive long enough" for visitors.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #68 on: January 25, 2025, 12:37:44 PM »
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  • Nothing was removed from my post.  You can see that Lad quoted it shortly after I posted it and there are no changes.

    So the picture has this link ... https://pbs.twimg.com [the rest]

    Could be that some firewalls, browsers, etc. would block links from that site due to potentially dangerous content.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #69 on: January 25, 2025, 12:56:15 PM »
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  • I just got word from a reliable source that His Excellency has died. 
    :pray:

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #70 on: January 25, 2025, 12:56:33 PM »
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  • So the picture has this link ... https://pbs.twimg.com [the rest]

    Could be that some firewalls, browsers, etc. would block links from that site due to potentially dangerous content.
    I could not access the site, either.


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #71 on: January 25, 2025, 12:58:47 PM »
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  • I just got word from a reliable source that His Excellency has died.
    :pray:

    Well, it's possible that the reports "debunking" the original announcement were the ones that were false.  God only knows at this point.  Prayers in either case obviously.

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #72 on: January 25, 2025, 01:04:33 PM »
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  • Fr Pivert in France has announced his death (in French).

    Mgr Williamson est décédé – Site de M. l’abbé Pivert

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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #73 on: January 25, 2025, 01:12:18 PM »
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  • "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


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    Re: Bishop Williamson in the Hospital
    « Reply #74 on: January 25, 2025, 01:14:25 PM »
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  • Fr Pivert in France has announced his death (in French).

    Mgr Williamson est décédé – Site de M. l’abbé Pivert

    Well, even he sounds unsure ...

    Bishop Williamson has died
    A message from Bishop Williamson's Priory informs us that Bishop Williamson has died. However, after verification, the information has not been confirmed.