A friend of mine just shared Forwarded an email for an urgent prayer request for Bishop Williamson saying that he went to the hospital this evening with a brain hemorrhage and that he has recieved the Last Rites.:pray:
Does anyone know any more about this?
:pray::pray:I kept thinking of him today. His Sunday sermon was removed from YouTube.:pray::pray:Yes. Internal bleeding in the brain from a burst vessel.
15 decades and prayers for the dying on the way. A brain hemorrhage is a stroke, right? Bp. Tissier had the same thing, result of a head injury. May Our Lady be at his side.
As His Excellency has received Last Rites perhaps in our charity we could pray the Prayers for the Dying from the Rituale Romanum (1944)Great idea! :pray:
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UPDATE from BW's channel:
'There will be no more Eleison Comments or sermons posted.
'The Bishop is completely unconscious after suffering a haemorrhage in his brain It's just a matter of time before he goes to his eternal reward.
The most recent news I can find (about an hour ago) is that he is not expected to survive.:pray::pray::pray:
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When I finally did meet him in 2014, I was surprised to see that the "Lion" was so very kind and gentle and humorous! Certainly one of the greatest Churchmen( a term he likes) of our time.
A comment on X about the Bishop :
God must be preparing for [His] wrath if He chooses to take Bishop Williamson
Death is the great equalizer. Doesn't matter if you were Pope, Bishop, President, or bag boy at the grocery store. Everyone appears before God "naked" as it were, and he'll just be "Richard". We know that those in authority and influence (even if he didn't have strict authority) have more room for mistakes, and that is why we pray more for priests, bishops, and popes, since they're more in need. Bishop Williamson had received many talents, and he'll be asked to show a greater return.
I recall when Wojtyla died and all the Novus Ordites were declaring his immediate entry into heaven, saying things like (Groeschel of EWTN), "I'm praying for him but not too hard." ... meaning he felt Wojtyla had passed straight into Heaven. We don't pray for Popes, Bishops, etc. because we like them, or think they were "nithe". Nor do we NOT pray for them (as Groeschel) because we've DECIDED that they were holy. At the end of the day, we do not know what goes on in any one's internal forum. So let's not be complacent for that reason either. People might consider the Popes and Bishops lucky to have SO MANY praying for them, but that's only right since they had the opportunity to influence (and harm) THAT MANY MORE people, and they'll be judged for anything downstream that they were accountable for. So, for instance, Bishop Williamson, to some extent, will be reponsible for any priest that he ordained and anything he did, such as, say, etc. Thus the higher up you are, the more in need of prayers you are. So we should pray fervently for Bishop Williamson, for Richard.
A comment on X about the Bishop :
God must be preparing for [His] wrath if He chooses to take Bishop Williamson
But is not a priest, a fortiori a bishop, judged more severely than a layman? That's what I've always heard.
Imagine all the prayers of Bp Williamson during his life, imagine him asking God to take him out of the world before the Chastisement/WW3 -- I could easily see that.
News of the death has just been announced.
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There are currently posts on X contesting the accuracy of the death announcement from Regina Martyrum House, claiming it was faked. (What sort of person would do something like that?) God knows the truth of this matter and He will use our prayers for His Excellency for his good whatever is going on here.
Bishop Williamson is still alive but on life support. This is directly from England 5 minutes ago.The wikipedia page is updated already. Why would they do this?
Who faked it an how? Did you get it from the official website?The telegram of the St. Louis Marie seminary confirmed that +Williamson did not die at midday.
Contrairement aux fausses rumeurs qui circulent, SE Mgr Williamson n'est pas décédé à midi.
Plutôt que de répandre des rumeurs, redoublons de prières à l'intention de ce serviteur de Dieu et de son Église
Who faked it an how? Did you get it from the official website?I got it from X but it looked official. I even tried to confirm it before passing it on, but apparently I failed. I have seen several people on X retracting the message that I posted here.
The wikipedia page is updated already. Why would they do this?Everyone wants to be first with the news, even if it means making up the news. It reminds me that Satan is the father of lies.
The wikipedia page is updated already. Why would they do this?
Please let us know your source.
I got it from X but it looked official. I even tried to confirm it before passing it on, but apparently I failed. I have seen several people on X retracting the message that I posted here.Looks like a trick, a battle for His Excellency’s soul is going on. It could be a trick of the enemy or a clever way of getting lots of people to pray for him!
I got it from X but it looked official. I even tried to confirm it before passing it on, but apparently I failed. I have seen several people on X retracting the message that I posted here.
Looks like a trick, a battle for His Excellency’s soul is going on. It could be a trick of the enemy or a clever way of getting lots of people to pray for him!
So I surmise, based on the language Sean used, that they're "trying to keep him alive long enough ..." for his brother and various bishops to see him, in a sense both reports might be true.
In your post where +W's death was announced, I noticed that Fr. Kramer had posted something on X, but can't remember what it said. It must have been removed from your post, since it's no longer there.Nothing was removed from my post. You can see that Lad quoted it shortly after I posted it and there are no changes.
Contrairement aux fausses rumeurs qui circulent, SE Mgr Williamson n'est pas décédé à midi."Contrary to the false rumors circulating, His Eminence did not die at midday. Instead of spreading rumors, keep praying for this servant pf God and His Church." -Translation of the Seminary telegram announcement.
Plutôt que de répandre des rumeurs, redoublons de prières à l'intention de ce serviteur de Dieu et de son Église
Nothing was removed from my post. You can see that Lad quoted it shortly after I posted it and there are no changes.
So the picture has this link ... https://pbs.twimg.com [the rest]I could not access the site, either.
Could be that some firewalls, browsers, etc. would block links from that site due to potentially dangerous content.
I just got word from a reliable source that His Excellency has died.
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Fr Pivert in France has announced his death (in French).
Mgr Williamson est décédé – Site de M. l’abbé Pivert (https://abbe-pivert.com/mgr-williamson-est-decede/)
Here are three prayers for the dying:Why have you posted shortened/modified prayers and eliminated the required Kyrie's, Our Fathers and Hail Mary's??????? Are the approved prayers in their entirety that the priests have in their ritual not short enough?
Prayer 1
Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Son of God and Son of the Virgin Mary, God and Man, Thou who in fear sweated blood for us on the Mount of Olives in order to bring peace, and to offer Thy Most Holy Death to God Thy Heavenly Father for the salvation of this dying person… If it be, however, that by his sins he merits eternal damnation, then may it be deflected from him. This, O Eternal Father through Our Lord Jesus Christ, Thy Dear Son, Who liveth and reigneth in union with The Holy Spirit now and forever. Amen.
Prayer 2
Lord Jesus Christ! Thou who meekly died on the trunk of the Cross for us, submitting Thy Will completely to Thy Heavenly Father in order to bring peace and to offer Thy most Holy Death to Thy Heavenly Father in order to free…(this person)…and to hide from him what he has earned with his sins; grant this O Eternal Father! Through Our Lord Jesus Thy Son, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in union with the Holy Spirit now and forever. Amen.
Prayer 3
Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Who remained silent to speak through the mouths of the Prophets; I have drawn Thee to me through Eternal Love, which love drew Thee from Heaven into the body of the Virgin, which love drew Thee from the body of the Virgin into the valley of this needful world, which Love kept Thee 33 years in this world, and as a sign of Great Love, Thou hast given Thy Holy Body as True Food and Thy Holy Blood as True Drink, as a sign of great love, Thou has consented to be a prisoner and to be led from one judge to another and as a sign of great love Thou has consented to be condemned to death, and hast consented to die and to be buried and truly rise, and appeared to Thy Holy Mother and all the Holy Apostles, and as a sign of great love Thou hast ascended, under Thy own strength and power, and sitteth at the right hand of God Thy heavenly Father, and Thou has sent Thy Holy Spirit into the heart of Thy Apostles and the hearts of all who hope and believe in Thee. Through Thy sign of Eternal love, open heaven today and take this dying person… and all his sins into the realm of Thy Heavenly Father, that he may reign with Thee now and forever. Amen.
You may add these prayers for bishop Williamson. God have mercy on him, on his soul.
Why have you posted shortened/modified prayers and eliminated the required Kyrie's, Our Fathers and Hail Mary's??????? Are the approved prayers in their entirety that the priests have in their ritual not short enough?I wrote that you may add these prayers to ones you pray, not that is a substitute for any approved, regular prayers that laymen or priests pray for the dying. I didn't meant that you shouldn't pray those prayers that you posted, they are beautiful.
See page one of this thread for the Prayers for the Dying in Their Final Agony from the Rituale Romanum
I wrote that you may add these prayers to ones you pray, not that is a substitute for any approved, regular prayers that laymen or priests pray for the dying. I didn't meant that you shouldn't pray those prayers that you posted, they are beautiful.Sorry, I didn't read those prayers before posting, I thought they are different. I was moved by the story about about these prayers.
Maybe you didn't comprehend what I wrote, don't be fast in finding faults in other...
The doctors have suspended treatment because unfortunately there is a serious effusion of blood on the brain which makes the situation quite irreversible.
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“Let us continue to pray for the Good Death of His Excellency.”
This is the last post I could find - I saw it at 3:30 AM eastern time this morning
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@TheWMReview
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UPDATE on Bishop Williamson, RE his having a few days left:
"This is the truth... And many thanks to the growing
group of young and not so young people who are now
watching day and night over His Lordship at the
hospital... 'Vigilate et orate!'" (From his house in Broadstairs)
Not much here, but apparently they are keeping constant vigil.
Bishop Williamson understood the root theological / philosophical causes of Vatican II better than any prominent Traditional Catholic leader out there, better than even Archbishop Lefebvre.Truly. I owe him a great debt for the graces he gave our family, the insights imparted, and especially for his being a relentless foe of God's most organized enemies on Earth.
He traced the root causes much farther back than anyone else from among the mainstream Trad clergy, most of whom imagined that things were great through the 1950s, after which there happened some inexplicable, sudden, dramatic collapse that "came out of nowhere".
He recognized that the root cause of all the errors in Vatican II was subjectivism. No one else picked up on this, focusing instead on the individual errors than on the root cause. It's like doctors who treat the symptoms vs. the very few who try to identify and treat the root cause of the symptoms. He recognized how this started in the "Renaissance" and "Enlightenment" (which he correctly identified as really a re-death and a darkening of minds), tracing this trend through the philosophers, and ultimately the phenomenologists.
So that is THE most powerful teaching I received from him ... to the point that I take it much farther now than even Bishop Williamson, recognizing that the subjectivism in terms of entering Catholic theology started with the undermining of EENS in the early 16th century. I see the nexus between the philosophical trends and the theological trends at EENS dogma, the touchpoint between the rise of subjectivism and its infection of Catholic theology. But I won't digress too much.
That is by far the most powerful thing I was taught by Bishop Williamson in terms of philosophy and theology, and it has completely changed the way I think.
See, by identifying the root cause of these errors, Bishop Williamson helped protect us from other manifestations of error from this same root caause in the future, rather than many others who just played whack-a-mole with this particular error or that other error, treating this symptom or that symptom, unable to get a handle on it due to not understanding the root cause, and even often succuмbing themselves to some errors, since, again, they were not equipped intellectually to recognize the error for what it is.
Bishop Williamson didn't just hand us fish, but he taught us HOW to fish. He taught us HOW to think and reason, rather than merely regurgitate why this or that specific error is wrong.
Bishop Williamson also hammered into my brain that "ideas matter", that they matter more than anything else. So, the modern world has gotten to a point where as long as we "get along" and are "nithe", it's OK if we have different core principles, and we can just hold hands and sing "kumbaya" together, and then go sit around on our own to think thinks without any consequence, that ideas, i.e. philosophy, was merely an abstract exercise done for entertainment purposes.
And he was also right about certain historical issues that have corrupted politics for going on a century now.
God bless Bishop Williamson.
The admin of the Bishop Williamson (unofficial) Telegram has posted this:
I had the honour of visiting Bishop Williamson today in the QEQM hospital today. The doctors estimate he is most likely to die within the next 24 hours, and even if he recovered, he would be in a vegetative state. We prayed the rosary around him, he again received extreme unction and mass was said in his room, both of which I had the privilege of participating in. Bishop Richard Nelson Williamson would and does want us to pray the rosary for him, so please do.
God bless you all
This Telegram channel did not post that +W had died. They cautioned against spreading false info, so perhaps there is reason to trust this one site.
I agree with the "vegetative state" nonsense. I wonder if they do mean to murder him and harvest his organs, not for transplants, but for experimentation. I hope whoever is there on his behalf is monitoring and advocating against any such action.
Same. I had read that in England you are an organ donor by default unless you opt out, so I hope that His Excellency had done so. Of course, with his age, most of his organs would likely not be great candidates for transplant ... so that works in his favor.Don't count on it. In Canada they will use organs from any age even 90> year olds. Their logic is it may give the recipient another couple years or time until a more viable organ is available.
Are we sure it's real? Fake stories also originated with Telegram accounts.Yes, I know the owner of that telegram. He's meet with +W a few times this year, and was supposed to meet with him today (before he was in hospital).
Man do I hate this "vegetative state" crap, not only the degrading term itself, reducing human beings conceptually to being the equivalent of vegetables, but also how they then leverage it to kill people, like Terri Schiavo. Fr. Cekada's callous defense of her murder continues to be one of the most disgraceful episodes in the history of Traditional Catholicism. Perhaps the worst possible outcome here would on fact be that, and then I could see the state moving to murder Bishop Williamson.
Don't count on it. In Canada they will use organs from any age even 90> year olds. Their logic is it may give the recipient another couple years or time until a more viable organ is available.
Lord have mercy
Sorry, I didn't read those prayers before posting, I thought they are different. I was moved by the story about about these prayers.
"There once was a Pope in Rome who was surrounded by many sins. The Lord God struck him with a fatal illness. When he saw that he was dying, he summoned cardinals, bishops, and learned persons and said to them: “My dear friends! What comfort can you give me now that I must die, and when I deserve eternal damnation for my sins?” No one answered him. One of them, a pious curate named John said: “Father, why do you doubt the Mercy of God?” The Pope replied: “What comfort can you give me now that I must die and fear that I’ll be damned for my sins?” John replied: “I’ll read three prayers over you; I hope you’ll be comforted and that you’ll obtain Mercy from God.” The Pope was unable to say more. The curate and all those present knelt and said an Our Father, then the following Prayers:
and after these prayers it's written: "Meanwhile the Pope died. The curate persevered to the hour, then the Pope appeared to him in body and comforted him. His countenance as brilliant as the sun, his clothes as white as snow, he said: “My dear brother! Whereas I was supposed to be a child of damnation, I’ve become a child of happiness. As you recited the first Prayer, many of my sins fell from me as rain from Heaven, and as you recited the second Prayer, I was purified, as a goldsmith purifies gold in a hot fire. I was still further purified as you recited the third Prayer. Then I saw Heaven open and the Lord, Jesus, standing on the Right Hand of God the Father Who said to me: “Come, all thy sins are forgiven thee, you’ll be and remain in the Realm of My Father forever. Amen!”
With these words, my soul separated from my body and the Angels of God led it to Eternal Joy. As the curate heard this, he said: “O Holy Father! I can’t tell these things to anyone, for they won’t believe me.” Then the Pope said: “Truly I tell thee, the Angel of God stands with me and has written the prayers in letters of gold for the consolation of all sinners. If a person had committed all the sins in the world, but that the three Prayers shall have been read (over him) at his end (death), all his sins will be forgiven him, even though his soul was supposed to suffer until the Last Judgment, it will be redeemed (freed).
The person who hears them read, won’t die an unhappy death, nor in whose house they will be read. Therefore, take these prayers and carry them into St. Peter’s Basilica and lay them in the Chapel named the Assumption of Mary, for certain consolation. The person who will be near death, who reads them or hears them read, gains 400 years indulgence for the days he was supposed to suffer in Purgatory because of his guilt. Also, who reads this Prayer or hears it read, the hour of his death shall be revealed to him. Amen!
I think I have located a trustworthy source for updates. The Telegram channel "Truth Unchained" normally used for publishing His Excellency's sermons, interviews, etc. is now giving updates on his condition. https://t.me/s/truthunchained (https://t.me/s/truthunchained)
You don't need to sign up for Telegram if you don't want to; there is a preview option.
I think I have located a trustworthy source for updates. The Telegram channel "Truth Unchained" normally used for publishing His Excellency's sermons, interviews, etc. is now giving updates on his condition. https://t.me/s/truthunchained (https://t.me/s/truthunchained)Thanks Jaynek for the link.
You don't need to sign up for Telegram if you don't want to; there is a preview option.
https://t.me/SERVIAMIWILLSERVEYes I tried that site and it flashes "This site cannot be reached" that's why I was wondering if some could copy and paste the prayers.
he has been posting some great prayers.
Lord please allow your faithful bishop into Heaven :pray:
I will miss Bishop Williamson.
A funny story, I was exchanging e-mail with him years ago to perhaps conduct a written interview in regards to a potential monarchy in North America in the distant future. This was around the time Charles Coulombe published Star Spangled Crown. Anyway, he said "nah!" He said such an interview would be utterly pointless, as there will never be any chance of a monarchy forming in this country, ever. Pure Englishman.
I'll probably look up one of his great sermons tonight, for old times' sake. Even my non-Catholic friends have heard of him and enjoyed a sermon or two of his. I'm glad I've kept all of his newsletters.
From Fr. Chazal:Struck down on the conversion of St. Paul? That can be no coincidence. If he moves his hands and tries to make the Sign of the Cross, that’s amazing. Whether Our Lord takes him Home or miraculously restores him to this life, either demonstrates his true love for Christ and Mary, his Mother.
Death of Sigfried
It should be made mandatory footage in the coming days...
Anyways, the bishop is responsive to auditive signs, moves hands and feet and tries to make the sign of the cross.
As a consequence, if he parts, it will be having us in his mind and prayers and blessings.
He was struck on the Conversion of St Paul, as he is both a convert and a great expert on St Paul, and today is St John Chrysostome... but your prayers are already working well; so my friends, if he has still his head with him, a kind Providence could see him back, despite the pessimism of the doctors.
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From Fr. Chazal:Wow-
Death of Sigfried
It should be made mandatory footage in the coming days...
Anyways, the bishop is responsive to auditive signs, moves hands and feet and tries to make the sign of the cross.
As a consequence, if he parts, it will be having us in his mind and prayers and blessings.
He was struck on the Conversion of St Paul, as he is both a convert and a great expert on St Paul, and today is St John Chrysostome... but your prayers are already working well; so my friends, if he has still his head with him, a kind Providence could see him back, despite the pessimism of the doctors.
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Wow-
Amazing that the Bishop’s mind is intact enough to respond to sounds , attempt sign of the Cross, etc .
I was under the impression that the hemorrhage was so obliterating that any cognition was not possible- so this is miraculous to me!
Seeing that he has a level of consciousness is so encouraging, but also he may now be aware of ( severe) pain - (they tend not to medicate head injuries)
I pray for relief of any pain the Bishop is experiencing and for a restorative miracle.
Our Lady of Fatima , pray for the Bishop and pray for us
I wonder if the pain could be leading him toward more consciousness.I don’t wish a year of pain upon Bp. Williamson unless perhaps he requested more time to do penance? If so, he should be canonized. :pray:
He might pull out of this yet, not that he would recover all of his faculties, but that he might still be with us for a while.
My father had something that had many of the characteristics of a stroke, and he lasted almost a year, though he steadily declined. He died six days after Traditionis custodes came out, and when I told him about it, he just scowled. He had long since lost his power of speech.
From Fr. Chazal:Oh wow. This is very moving. I can only imagine the pain he is in.
Death of Sigfried
It should be made mandatory footage in the coming days...
Anyways, the bishop is responsive to auditive signs, moves hands and feet and tries to make the sign of the cross.
As a consequence, if he parts, it will be having us in his mind and prayers and blessings.
He was struck on the Conversion of St Paul, as he is both a convert and a great expert on St Paul, and today is St John Chrysostome... but your prayers are already working well; so my friends, if he has still his head with him, a kind Providence could see him back, despite the pessimism of the doctors.
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My prayer is that he is being treated with dignity and respect. He may be too important a person to treat otherwise. But the track record in England does not seem to be good for anyone.It sounds like he has been constantly accompanied by supporters and that this will continue. Not only do these surround him with prayers, they are witnesses to his medical treatment. This probably gives some degree of protection against evil practices and policies.
"Irreversible" for whom? For God? Whoever wrote this doesn't seem to have much faith in God. We can pray still for his recovery AND/OR good death, not just his "Good Death", as per the quote.
Now, the worst case scenario here is where he would remain in this present condition, where, like Terri Schiavo, despite responsiveness, he'll be declared "vegetative" and they move to murder him.In which case he’d be a martyr.
In which case he’d be a martyr.
p.s. My “reliable source” is a priest who has seen him.
From Fr. Chazal:
Death of Sigfried
It should be made mandatory footage in the coming days....
This is a disturbing reference. The mythic character Siegfried was killed by being stabbed in the back by one who pretended to be a friend.I thought so too. They better not leave him alone in that room.
I was at the Hospital with Bishop Williamson by his bedside till the night (still in pallative care) yesterday.
I won't share all the details as I am not in position this early to say anything, but I will say all the disinformation on twitter has been disgusting. Such a distinguished Pious Bishop should not have lies let alone a false announcement of his death
I thought so too. They better not leave him alone in that room.
In response yesterday to someone who had visited him and reported that "doctors [had] stopped treatment" after having declared his condition "irreversible" ... that most doctors are bungling idiotsYeah, american doctors are clueless. "Well, we don't have a test for that, nor a drug, so there's nothing I can do." :facepalm:
Yeah, american doctors are clueless. "Well, we don't have a test for that, nor a drug, so there's nothing I can do." :facepalm:
From Fr. Chazal:
Death of Sigfried
It should be made mandatory footage in the coming days...
Anyways, the bishop is responsive to auditive signs, moves hands and feet and tries to make the sign of the cross.
As a consequence, if he parts, it will be having us in his mind and prayers and blessings.
He was struck on the Conversion of St Paul, as he is both a convert and a great expert on St Paul, and today is St John Chrysostome... but your prayers are already working well; so my friends, if he has still his head with him, a kind Providence could see him back, despite the pessimism of the doctors.
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So, the next question is whether it was done out of an evil hatred for Bishop Williamson, hoping that it would dissuade people from praying for his recovery, or for the slightly-less-evil intention of trolling those who genuinely care about His Excellency by creating chaos and havoc among them.
This is a disturbing reference. The mythic character Siegfried was killed by being stabbed in the back by one who pretended to be a friend.Those speculations and noise on this thread are equally disgusting. I plead with you all to shut up, except for essential info.
Thank you for the post. So, I think most of the disinformation all leads back to the same source, that one post. I was on the fence about whether the post was made by someone who had reacted emotionally to the prognosis of His Excellency's imminent death with a certain amount of despairing cynicism, conflating the prognosis of certain death with death itself ... or whether it was made by some wicked hateful individual out of malice toward Bishop Williamson and/or his "followers" (i.e. those who care about him).100% Agreed.
I did a bit of digging and found that the original post was made on a site called telegra.ph ... and this leads me to believe that the post was malicious. So, this would appear to be a domain set up PRECISELY to be falsely associated with the well-known Telegram, similar to how phishing scams work ... except that on telegra.ph, anyone can post anything with complete anonymity. So the deliberate intent to remain anonymous, which intent is contradicted by the content of the message where the poster lists that lady's name (i.e. if you wished to post anonymously for a legitimate reason, you wouldn't put your name on it) ... suggests that it was done by a malicious troll.
So, the next question is whether it was done out of an evil hatred for Bishop Williamson, hoping that it would dissuade people from praying for his recovery, or for the slightly-less-evil intention of trolling those who genuinely care about His Excellency by creating chaos and havoc among them.
At the end of the day, I smell a Jew ... given that His Excellency is most hated by them, whereas it would only be other Traditional Catholics who would even understand much less disagree with the nuances of a theological disagreement that to an outsider would be entirely incomprehesible, and no Traditional Catholic would pull such a stunt.
As a friend of mine here will attest to, I hope they are putting drops/ ointment in his eyes as well, for if he recovers we wouldn't want him to suffer from dried out damaged corneas either. That is a whole other ball of wax to contend with.When I was there, they didnt put ointment in his eyes as his eyes were pure shut... He really did look like a saint.
Hope someone in England reads this.
100% Agreed.
If you look at the Original Wikipedia source it is indeed the Telegram screenshot. To be honest I really do believe it was the enemy who is doing this and Fr Abraham told me yesterday the exact same thing.
I do think however it is likely some edgy teenage edgelord who hates the SSPX and Resistance so he made it for the sake of causing confusion and dismay
When I was there, they didnt put ointment in his eyes as his eyes were pure shut... He really did look like a saint.It would be a good practice to have them put in some lubricating ointment or drops every 4-8 hrs. They can open the lid to insert.
They did keep him hydrated however
It would be a good practice to have them put in some lubricating ointment or drops every 4-8 hrs. They can open the lid to insert.
If Bishop does recover, believe me he will appreciate it.
Thanks for responding
I was at the Hospital with Bishop Williamson by his bedside till the night (still in pallative care) yesterday.Thank you, for being there for Bishop Williamson. When you see him, tell him we were praying for him and were asking for him.
I won't share all the details as I am not in position this early to say anything, but I will say all the disinformation on twitter has been disgusting. Such a distinguished Pious Bishop should not have lies let alone a false announcement of his death
We just came back from visiting a friend who is in hospital. He is in his 90’s and they put him on morphine. He felt nauseous and the nurse just shoved a container on him. My thought is the morphine is making him feel sicker.My mother was a hospice nurse. I can tell you for sure morphine, slowly kills elderly. Morphine should only be used for acute deadly wounds or sicknesses. Period.
I noticed that the hospital didn’t have windows which could open for fresh air. Hospital food not that healthy either.
I think dying at home is better.
I pray that Bishop Williamson gets better and out of the hospital.
We just came back from visiting a friend who is in hospital. He is in his 90’s and they put him on morphine. He felt nauseous and the nurse just shoved a container on him. My thought is the morphine is making him feel sicker.I wonder if someone I knew receiving care at home was killed by whatever medicine they were giving. When the medicine wore off, they were lively, but grouchy with pain. With medicine, they were practically lifeless, barely breathing.
I noticed that the hospital didn’t have windows which could open for fresh air. Hospital food not that healthy either.
I think dying at home is better.
100% Agreed.
If you look at the Original Wikipedia source it is indeed the Telegram screenshot. To be honest I really do believe it was the enemy who is doing this and Fr Abraham told me yesterday the exact same thing.
I do think however it is likely some edgy teenage edgelord who hates the SSPX and Resistance so he made it for the sake of causing confusion and dismay
For what it’s worth…Traditio.com is standing by the following regarding His Excellency:Please stop! This has already proven to be fake. Traditio is not a particularly reliable site.
THE TRADITIO FATHERS REPLY>>> A death announcement has been issued
by Regina Martyrum House, Broadstairs, Kent, in the United Kingdom, which
was Williamson's episcopal home base.
Please stop! This has already proven to be fake. Traditio is not a particularly reliable site.
For what it’s worth…Traditio.com is standing by the following regarding His Excellency:
THE TRADITIO FATHERS REPLY>>> A death announcement has been issued
by Regina Martyrum House, Broadstairs, Kent, in the United Kingdom, which
was Williamson's episcopal home base.
NOTA BENE. As of early 01/27/25 there are contradictory reports circulating: (1) that Bishop Williamson is not dead, but is unconscious and unresponsive; (2) that he is unconscious and minimally responsive. In either case, the doctors have reportedly suspended treatment and given him only a day or two to live. As further information becomes available, we shall report it here.
Agreed. And Traditio is known to be against +W.
One just has to do a google search to confirm this.
Williamson was just short of his 85th birthday. It is entirely fitting that Our Lord should have taken him on the Double Major Feast of the Conversion of St. Paul, as Williamson was himself a convert from Anglicanism and himself converted many souls.
Bishop Williamson consecrated eight bishops for the Traditional Catholic Movement:On June 23, 2011, Bishop Williamson, who was at the time in the midst an imbroglio with Bernie Fellay, then Superior General of the Neo-Society of St. Pius X, took the time to write the TRADITIO Fathers, conveying his "respect for you and your work on the TRADITIO site." That imbroglio with Fellay finally led to Williamson's abandoning the Neo-SSPX because it had strayed from the Traditional Catholic principles of its founder, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, and had made overtures to join the apostate Newchurch of the New Order
- Jean-Michel Faure (2016)
- Tomas Aquin (2017)
- Gerardo Zendejas (2017)
- Giacomo Ballini (2020).
- Paul Morgan (?2023, in pectore)
- Michal Stobnicki (?2023, in pectore)
- perhaps two more in pectore
Although Bishop Williamson has disappointed many Traditional Catholics by not taking on the mantle of SSPX Traditional Catholic Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and vigorously carrying on the Archbishop's work in contrast to Fellay's Neo-SSPX, which fell away from those principles, Williamson was a very decent man and did much for the Traditional Catholic movement.
And some of you jumped right onto the bandwagon to attack without bothering to spend 30 seconds to click the link and investigate whether this accusation was true.
Then you layer some additional slander on top, claimng Traditio is "against" Bishop Williamson. They're against SSPX, but have been positive toward him ever since he split off from them, despite your false assertion that one need merely do a Google search to confirm, a search which you evidently did not perform.
This is what he writes beneath the above clarification regarding the conflicting reports.
Doesn't sound like he's all that "against" Bishop Williamson (copied directly from Traditio.com and keeping his formatting) ...
Does anyone have a clue who that "Miss. Madelyn" was from the post that announced +W's death?I actually did some searches on "Madelyn" combined with various other words. I could not find any trace of a person with that name associated with Regina Martyrum House. Of course, that does not prove anything. On the other hand, I have no evidence that such a person even exists.
(https://i.imgur.com/QxbyssB.png)We were told less than 24 Hours when I saw him on Sunday so it is a blessing he is still here.
From the Civitas UK Telegram Channel. This morning 28th of January, is of course London time.
OK, while I'm no fan of Traditio.com, this is completely wrong and unfair to them ...It's absolutely fair and they are completely wrong. Their headline is factually untrue, even if they added corrections. If they know there are conflicting stories, then you TAKE THE HEADLINE DOWN altogether. That's journalism 101. And charity 101.
We were told less than 24 Hours when I saw him on Sunday so it is a blessing he is still here.It is a blessing for you to be there and for him to not be alone.
I will say when I saw him his breathing did change so I don't know how valid this is
It is a blessing for you to be there and for him to not be alone.Thank you very much, I think the very much especially how a lot of people I’ve known in the past Pro Williamson and not visit him to pay homage and pray for him.
I wonder if he has been allowed to live these past days in order to unite all of us together in prayer for this man who has done so much for us and the Church.
It's absolutely fair and they are completely wrong. Their headline is factually untrue, even if they added corrections. If they know there are conflicting stories, then you TAKE THE HEADLINE DOWN altogether. That's journalism 101. And charity 101.
But in the world of click-bait, in the world of rumors-first, truth-second, they kept up the unconfirmed headline. They deserve all the criticism they get.
We were told less than 24 Hours when I saw him on Sunday so it is a blessing he is still here.
Say what you want, but there's no malice here toward Bishop Williamson, as people here have slandered them with.
In fact, they wrote in very positive terms about him in the write up. Whether or what reason they left the original headline up and added a note, whether it's how their website works or is structured, or for whatever reason, it's not due to any kind of malice where they're somehow TRYING to perpetrate fraud by making people think Bishop Williamson had already died. There's no indication of such malice or ill will. I've seen that before on their website, where past content tends never to change, even if they later need to make an update. Not sure why that is, but it's most certainly not being done for malicious reasons.They shouldn't act like a news service, if they can't figure out how to run a website.
Yes, we've "been told" lots of things.It is really hard to predict the details of a specific death, even if there are lots of generalizations one can make. I was able to care for both of my parents in their final months and was with them as they died. I learned that there are recognizable signs of the body shutting down and identifiable stages, but the exact timing still boils down to a guess.
It is really hard to predict the details of a specific death, even if there are lots of generalizations one can make. I was able to care for both of my parents in their final months and was with them as they died. I learned that there are recognizable signs of the body shutting down and identifiable stages, but the exact timing still boils down to a guess.
They shouldn't act like a news service, if they can't figure out how to run a website.
So they don't act like a news source ... but even refer to it as "Daily Commentaries".You know what I mean. They post stuff as if they have 'inside info'. They have lots of viewers to their site. They have to take this responsibility of reporting info seriously.
People do the very same thing with the Dimonds, where the hate them so much that they attack them even when they're doing something good or positive.
Well, I was adding in the stuff that was fake and/or speculative also, where there's been strange soup of information, guesses from the doctors, speculation from individuals, and probably some of the old "telephone game" rumor alterations.I am rather annoyed with myself for passing on the initial (probably malicious) fake death announcement. On the other hand, given how widely spread it was, it would have ended up here eventually. It was probably useful to have it identified as false early on. And we can hope that being publicly wrong will help me to develop humility. (but don't hold your breath ;))
You know what I mean. They post stuff as if they have 'inside info'. They have lots of viewers to their site. They have to take this responsibility of reporting info seriously.Are you asking for a lot? Name an organization that currently does a good job at this.
Are you asking for a lot?No. If you have hundreds of followers, you have a duty to fact-check things, before sharing info. Duh.
Name an organization that currently does a good job at this.So if everyone is bad at it, then it makes it ok? Stop with the 4th grade logic.
I am not sure good honest reporting has happened in a long time. Everyone seems to have their own personal angle and agenda. I know I am making rash generalizations, but this is clouded by my disappointment of society in general.Yes, you're making all kinds of generalizations. Journalism 101 - confirm your stories. How would one do this? Contact the Resistance and/or +W's website and ask if he's dead, before posting he is. This isn't rocket science.
Have you taken a step to maybe help with their web design? Maybe they don't have the man power to fix it easily. Maybe it is just easier to add addendums.Maybe they are just lazy. If they figured out how to post the original message, they can figure out how to delete it. If not, then don't run a website.
No. If you have hundreds of followers, you have a duty to fact-check things, before sharing info. Duh.Yes but gossip is what our society is about. It is just the world we live in.
So if everyone is bad at it, then it makes it ok? Stop with the 4th grade logic.
Yes, you're making all kinds of generalizations. Journalism 101 - confirm your stories. How would one do this? Contact the Resistance and/or +W's website and ask if he's dead, before posting he is. This isn't rocket science.
Maybe they are just lazy. If they figured out how to post the original message, they can figure out how to delete it. If not, then don't run a website.
Do people not realize that spreading rumors (to hundreds or thousands of people) is simply gossip on a grand scale?
Yes but gossip is what our society is about. It is just the world we live in.That's ridiculous. Traditio has apparently been running for over 30 years. They know how to run a website, they should know how to change the title of a post. You think they are going to give access to their site to some rando who wants to make sure their information is accurate? Get a grip
If it bothers you soooooo much then do something. If you try and it fails it is not on you, but to keep complaining on a site that can't do anything. Well....:facepalm:
That's ridiculous. Traditio has apparently been running for over 30 years. They know how to run a website, they should know how to change the title of a post. You think they are going to give access to their site to some rando who wants to make sure their information is accurate? Get a gripStart a new thread. MORE PRAYERS FOR BISHOP WILLIAMSON.:pray::pray::pray:
That's ridiculous. Traditio has apparently been running for over 30 years. They know how to run a website, they should know how to change the title of a post. You think they are going to give access to their site to some rando who wants to make sure their information is accurate? Get a grip
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:pray::pray: :incense: :pray::pray:
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Not really related, but one quirk I have noticed on TRADITIO, is that whomever does the writing, speaks of "J.R. Biden" and "N.E. Peℓσѕι", whereas he normally refers to people by their Christian names in tandem with their surnames.No offence but it’s really difficult and frustrating to figure out what’s going on with His Excellency when 3/4 of the posts in this thread are either unrelated minutia or infantile arguments. Can we PLEASE keep this thread restricted to direct updates or prayers relating to Bishop Williamson.
I get the impression that "the TRADITIO Fathers" are trying to avoid using names of Christian saints (in this case Joseph, and I am assuming that "Nancy", though a given name, is a diminutive of "Anne" or "Agnes"), more to the point, not referring to pro-abortion-choice politicians in a way that would tie them to a Catholic saint. I can't think of any other explanation. (Note, use of initials and last name is also a common Russian convention.)
Some people go by their initials, most notably J.D. Vance (full name James David), but Biden and Peℓσѕι definitely do not.
Anybody else ever notice this on TRADITIO?
No offence but it’s really difficult and frustrating to figure out what’s going on with His Excellency when 3/4 of the posts in this thread are either unrelated minutia or infantile arguments. Can we PLEASE keep this thread restricted to direct updates or prayers relating to Bishop Williamson.Quite right. I hesitated posting this for that very reason.
Just a message from Bishop Williamson Lay Secretary:
“But no more visitors from now on, please. The Bishop needs to die peacefully.”
Just a message from Bishop Williamson Lay Secretary:That is an odd statement coming from a secretary. She could have said we are limiting the amounts of visitors at this time, or we are keeping visitors to a minimum, or something to that effect.
“But no more visitors from now on, please. The Bishop needs to die peacefully.”
That is an odd statement coming from a secretary. She could have said we are limiting the amounts of visitors at this time, or we are keeping visitors to a minimum, or something to that effect.
Oh well, no further comment.
And we're sure this is not yet another hoax? Given the early malicious disinfo, I have to wonder about everything now, as this could be calculated to keep people away. Seems especially strange, since it appears to contradict the other reports that His Excellency has actually stabilized, is breathing on his own, etc. Are we sure there's at least someone at his side there would would prevent any funny-business? Wouldn't surprise me if a certain representative of the Chosen People wouldn't enlist the services of a nurse (for a modest stipend) to hasten His Excellency's departure from this life.The post was strange.
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