I for one am almost afraid to see his answer.  

I am not quite sure what point you are making with any of these quotes, but I'll just ask about this one.  Are you saying that it is better for Jews to go to hell than to convert and find salvation?

Jesus Christ died for all, even the stubborn Jews and He chooses to come from that nation.  He forgave them from the cross, and yes, they cursed themselves as a nation.  Yet, it is said that God will call them back near the end of the world, that is the Will of God and it will happen.     

I for one am almost afraid to see his answer.  

Jesus Christ died for all, even the stubborn Jews and He chooses to come from that nation.  He forgave them from the cross, and yes, they cursed themselves as a nation.  Yet, it is said that God will call them back near the end of the world, that is the Will of God and it will happen.    

Some of our great Church Fathers had a much different opinion, even our 'traditional' teachers water down historical teachings..

Whosoever does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is Antichrist, and whosoever does not profess the testimony of the cross is a devil, and whosoever perverts the saying of the Lord to his own evil desires ... is the first-born of Satan.
~ St. Polycarp of Smyrna


By their malice, the Scribes and Pharisees and princes of the Jews were a considerable hindrance to the salvation of the people, both because they opposed Christ's doctrine, which was the only way to salvation, and also because their evil ways corrupted the morals of the people.
~ St. Thomas Aquinas


Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jєωιѕн people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. The Jews held Him; the Jews insulted Him; the Jews bound Him; they crowned Him with thorns and dishonored Him by spitting upon Him; they scourged Him; they heaped abuses upon Him; they hung Him upon a tree.
~ St. Augustine


The Jews are enemies of God and foes of our holy religion.
~ Padre Pio


Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness!
~ St. Gregory of Nyssa


It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as servants rejected by that Savior Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the servants of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.
~ Pope Innocent III ("Etsi Judaeos," a Decretal cited by Pope Benedict XIV in the above; same page).


We exhort you not to tolerate that Jews rule Christians and have power over them. For, to allow Christians to be subjected to Jews and to be delivered to their whims means to oppress the Church of God and to revile Christ Himself.
~ Pope Gregory VII (Epistle to King Alphonsus of Castile, PAC, p.641).


It is known that the Jєωιѕн people are polluted with wickedness, blasphemy, and the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has no limit.
~ St. Felix of Toledo ("On the Condemnation of the Jews," Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8; PAC, p.376).


Our ways of life and those of the Jews are utterly different, and Jews will easily pervert the souls of simple folk to their superstition and unbelief if such folk are living in continual and intimate intercourse with them.
~ Pope Alexander III ("Ad Haec," a Decretal, cited by Benedict XIV as above, p.137).


When Jews are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one's lap.
 ~ Pope Innocent III (PAC, p.137).

jaynek - being that your family members are jews, it is understandable that you seek out a traditional prayer for conversion of the jews.  However, you are likely to be disappointed.  You do not know what is required of a Jєωιѕн conversion.  Our Lord said something similar to st paul.  I do not remember the words.  But, it was something like "st paul does not know how much he will have to suffer for me"(meaning a lot).  You will first have to be a shining example for them, and then take them under your wings in that shining example.  Because, you will likely not be satisfied with turning your run of the mill jew family member into a run of the mill catholic.  Because, a run of the mill catholic in our day is a novus ordite which is not pleasing to God.  Because, the novus ordite is a judaized catholic(vomited out of gods mouth).  And, the last thing we need are more marranos.  That has been the cause of our problems.  Embrace the evangelical councils, and do not be satisfied with anything less for your companions(meaning your former jew family members).  Now, contemplate that.  How optimistic are you now?  You have a long road ahead of you.  And, that is the beauty.  We have our whole lives to work towards our end.  And, conversion of the jews and sanctification of the church is a walk to calvary.  But, as a Jєωιѕн convert, you are called to that.  

Outside of your situation, budude has much wisdom to offer.  Only at the crossroads will you find the accommodation you seek.  And, if that were everywhere present, we would be missing the sanctifying examples needed to survive such a scene.   

jaynek - being that your family members are jews, it is understandable that you seek out a traditional prayer for conversion of the jews.  However, you are likely to be disappointed.  You do not know what is required of a Jєωιѕн conversion.  

Thank you for your advice. You have given me something to think about.  I have been planning to take a break from forums over Advent and this will be a good opportunity to consider what you have written.
I wonder why somebody would have down-voted it.  

Could someone on this forum point me to an article, a book or simply explain to me the difference between the biblical Jews (i.e. Hebrews or Children of Israel) and the Jews of today? In my humble opinion, these days, few to none of the Jews come directly from the line of Abraham. I think that most of them are the descendants of the Khazars (at least the αѕнкenαzι Jews) but how about the Sephardic Jews? I admit that most of my confusion comes from the fact that I spent most of my adult life in the conciliar sect and there the Jews were referred to as our "Older/ Elder Brothers in Faith" and there is no need to pray for their conversion (forget about the conversion of heart, that is not even an option) because they have their own path to salvation (courtesy of John Paul II's "teachings").

Thank you and God bless.

I admit that most of my confusion comes from the fact that I spent most of my adult life in the conciliar sect and there the Jews were referred to as our "Older/ Elder Brothers in Faith" and there is no need to pray for their conversion (forget about the conversion of heart, that is not even an option) because they have their own path to salvation (courtesy of John Paul II's "teachings").

Exactly.  That is just what I was talking about.  I find it maddening.  :cussing: