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Offline SeanJohnson

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Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
« on: October 25, 2021, 10:30:50 AM »
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    • Francis Removes Latin als Normative Novus Ordo Language




    Francis' Liturgy Congregation issued the decree “Postquam Summus Pontifex” (October 22) which contains new regulations for the translation of liturgical books.

    Most of the long text deals with standard matters. A revolutionary move is contained in Number 54 which says that Latin is no longer required for a normative typical edition of liturgical books.

    The language seems to be deliberately incomprehensible, “Having obtained recognitio by decree of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments the texts of the Proper, in Latin or in another language, are to be considered typical.”

    However, in the Novus Ordo it doesn't matter whether a text has a "recognitio" or not as every priest does what he wants anyway.

    The decree allows adaptions ("inculturation") including texts drawn up solely in the vernacular.

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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #1 on: October 25, 2021, 10:36:13 AM »
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    • And so, the term “Latin rite” became a mere historical reference to former times...
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #2 on: October 25, 2021, 10:46:19 AM »
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    • Listen.  You can’t fix stupid heretic.

    During his visit to Philly, it was mostly about the gαys. Then there is his butt friendly build bridges buddy.  Orgies in the Vatican. Then they worship Mudder Earth. If it quacks like a duck.


    We went from farm boy Pope and ended with bar fly pope.  

    We need st Catherine of Siena. 
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #3 on: October 25, 2021, 11:07:22 AM »
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    in Latin or in another language, are to be considered typical.”
    :facepalm:  So, *multiple* languages are considered typical.  Which means, there is no typical/normal language.  More V2 style contradictions.  

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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #4 on: October 25, 2021, 11:22:49 AM »
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    • Novus Ordo is NOT the Roman Rite - because there's no continuity between it and the Traditional Mass - nor "Latin Rite" - I guess now this is more clear - Francis is only telling that openly what the other popes were stalling just to push an "continuity". Oh well
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #5 on: October 25, 2021, 02:22:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on October 25, 2021, 10:46:19 AM
    Listen.  You can’t fix stupid heretic.

    During his visit to Philly, it was mostly about the gαys. Then there is his butt friendly build bridges buddy.  Orgies in the Vatican. Then they worship Mudder Earth. If it quacks like a duck.


    We went from farm boy Pope and ended with bar fly pope. 

    We need st Catherine of Siena.
    So which one is the farm boy?
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #6 on: October 25, 2021, 02:36:06 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on October 25, 2021, 02:22:10 PM
    So which one is the farm boy?
    I assumed they meant St Pius X.
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #7 on: October 25, 2021, 03:41:09 PM »
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #8 on: October 25, 2021, 05:25:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on October 25, 2021, 02:22:10 PM
    So which one is the farm boy?
    Saint Pope Pius X
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #9 on: October 25, 2021, 06:29:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on October 25, 2021, 03:41:09 PM


    Pray for Bergoglio's expedient, but holy, death.
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #10 on: October 25, 2021, 08:23:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on October 25, 2021, 06:29:30 PM
    Pray for Bergoglio's expedient, but holy, death.
    I pray that he leaves the papal office, how he does that, is up to him, or up to Almighty God, depending on how it happens.

    But I just wonder what it will be like, if Tagle is the next pope, abrogates Quo primum (or attempts to), and says that the TLM may never be celebrated by any priest, anywhere, under any circuмstances, "we have moved on, we have completed what Francis started, if you want a Latin Mass, you will have the Novus Ordo in Latin, if enough people in a diocese want that".

    My mother-wit tells me that of those who attend the indult/motu Mass, about half would go to the SSPX and similar venues (you wouldn't have an FSSP or ICKSP anymore), and about half would return to the Novus Ordo.
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #11 on: October 25, 2021, 09:45:20 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on October 25, 2021, 08:23:22 PM
    I pray that he leaves the papal office, how he does that, is up to him, or up to Almighty God, depending on how it happens.

    But I just wonder what it will be like, if Tagle is the next pope, abrogates Quo primum (or attempts to), and says that the TLM may never be celebrated by any priest, anywhere, under any circuмstances, "we have moved on, we have completed what Francis started, if you want a Latin Mass, you will have the Novus Ordo in Latin, if enough people in a diocese want that".

    My mother-wit tells me that of those who attend the indult/motu Mass, about half would go to the SSPX and similar venues (you wouldn't have an FSSP or ICKSP anymore), and about half would return to the Novus Ordo.
    I don't even think he has to go that far. He just has to mandate vaccine passports for entry into any facility owned by the Vatican. After that I think to take care of any edge cases there would be a blanket ad orientem ban. That will cover "conservative NO" as well as any Latin Masses.
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    Re: Bergoglio Removes Latin as Normative Language for Novus Ordo
    « Reply #12 on: October 25, 2021, 09:47:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on October 25, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
    I don't even think he has to go that far. He just has to mandate vaccine passports for entry into any facility owned by the Vatican. After that I think to take care of any edge cases there would be a blanket ad orientem ban. That will cover "conservative NO" as well as any Latin Masses.
    And then the Great Apostasy would be complete.
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